Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[Trish]

Just now, VO5 said:

When I was at IU, we always knew a player was transferring if they started showing up at the Hyper to play. I knew that Hollowell and Larryn Brooks were transferring weeks before it was announced because they started playing there most days. So if anyone on here is currently a student, watch for that.

They are getting use to the level of competition at their new schools at the HPER haha

 

 

[Alford Bailey]

Yea, really like all the new videos Indiana MBB is putting out. Already feels like Archie is trying to keep the fans more in the loop. Looks like the guys are working hard.

[Bowhunter]

Archie has to do what's best for Indiana basketball. That's what he gets paid to do. It happens at every program. Nobody feels sorry for the coaching staff when they lose because it's their job to put the best product on the floor.

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Archie has to do what's best for Indiana basketball. That's what he gets paid to do. It happens at every program. Nobody feels sorry for the coaching staff when they lose because it's their job to put the best product on the floor.

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Bottom line.


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[Brass Cannon]

28 minutes ago, Bowhunter said:

Archie has to do what's best for Indiana basketball. That's what he gets paid to do. It happens at every program. Nobody feels sorry for the coaching staff when they lose because it's their job to put the best product on the floor.

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True but there's long term and short term thinking.  Creaning is a short term benefit with long term costs 

[Trish]

41 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Yea, really like all the new videos Indiana MBB is putting out. Already feels like Archie is trying to keep the fans more in the loop. Looks like the guys are working hard.

I believe he said he wants our social media to be the best of the best. 

[Bowhunter]

True but there's long term and short term thinking.  Creaning is a short term benefit with long term costs 

Toms shotgun theory of offering lots of kids is not the best approach. As a matter a fact I hate it! Just give a smaller number of recruits more attention and stick to it. Crean had a high turnover rate running his own guys off. I'm not asking for that, but offering kids that are not even close to the level of high D1 isn't good and it's not Archie's fault either.

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[moyemayhem]

7 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

True but there's long term and short term thinking.  Creaning is a short term benefit with long term costs 

I don't think you can blame Archie for the situation Crean left him.  Archie didn't sign 3 additional incoming freshmen to a roster that already had 12 guys on scholarship for 2017-18 (and now 13 with Hartman's redshirt).  I think Archie feels obligated to support all of those players equally, but obviously tough decisions may have to be made.  I don't see how any reasonable person can hold him accountable for the scholarship crunch that Crean left him with.

[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, moyemayhem said:

I don't think you can blame Archie for the situation Crean left him.  Archie didn't sign 3 additional incoming freshmen to a roster that already had 12 guys on scholarship for 2017-18 (and now 13 with Hartman's redshirt).  I think Archie feels obligated to support all of those players equally, but obviously tough decisions may have to be made.  I don't see how any reasonable person can hold him accountable for the scholarship crunch that Crean left him with.

I agree but the same argument about doing what's best for the team is what Crean supporters used as he did it to epic proportion. 

[Stromboli]

Does anybody read Sun Tsu's "Art of War"?  Basically the most successful outcome to a conflict is to win, and to preserve as much as possible.  It makes no sense to take a city that you have just blown up the infrastructure, pissed off the subjects, and burned all the resources.  Archie came in with a preservation objective, and I think it is the right one.  Keep the team in tact, keep the recruits he had.  Build from there.

Let 2018 be the first class of Archie's guys.  And 2017 is going to be very good regardless.  

[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, Stromboli said:

Does anybody read Sun Tsu's "Art of War"?  Basically the most successful outcome to a conflict is to win, and to preserve as much as possible.  It makes no sense to take a city that you have just blown up the infrastructure, pissed off the subjects, and burned all the resources.  Archie came in with a preservation objective, and I think it is the right one.  Keep the team in tact, keep the recruits he had.  Build from there.

Let 2018 be the first class of Archie's guys.  And 2017 is going to be very good regardless.  

Not to get too far off topic but generally I would agree with you. But there are some modern counter arguments to that logic

The occupations of Germany and Japan went off relatively peaceful because of the devastation they had endured. 

[HoosierDYT]

Watching more of durham's film I'm very impressed and excited to see him in an IU jersey! However, I believe smith is the most indispensable recruit because he will best replace OG.


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[Stromboli]

2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Not to get too far off topic but generally I would agree with you. But there are some modern counter arguments to that logic

The occupations of Germany and Japan went off relatively peaceful because of the devastation they had endured. 

Yeah?  I learned that the atomic bombs were really what saved Japan from devastation.  Had we not dropped them in an awesome show of power, we would have been engaged instead in a long, bloody battle on their homeland that would have wrecked their population, culture, and infrastructure.  Instead we kept Japan mostly intact, as we were just then getting all the way across the Pacific.

And regarding Germany.... what are you going to do.  It was a 6 year war, and it took all 6 to win it.  Clumsy bombing techniques like loading huge B-17s with tons of bombs and dropping in the vicinity of the target was the best we could do, hence the damage. 

Aaaaaanywho...  Did we ever reach a consensus on whether or not Aver's is any good?  

[mdn82]

I agree but the same argument about doing what's best for the team is what Crean supporters used as he did it to epic proportion. 

I don't think Crean supporters used that argument because IU hadn't had a transfer in a few years. Before that most of the players that left he wanted to keep but kicked them off due to punishment. We actually haven't been on par with most schools and their 350 transfers every year. I think most every school "Creans" their players. As we should this year if it sets up a roster for success.


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[moyemayhem]

6 minutes ago, Stromboli said:

Yeah?  I learned that the atomic bombs were really what saved Japan from devastation.  Had we not dropped them in an awesome show of power, we would have been engaged instead in a long, bloody battle on their homeland that would have wrecked their population, culture, and infrastructure.  Instead we kept Japan mostly intact, as we were just then getting all the way across the Pacific.

And regarding Germany.... what are you going to do.  It was a 6 year war, and it took all 6 to win it.  Clumsy bombing techniques like loading huge B-17s with tons of bombs and dropping in the vicinity of the target was the best we could do, hence the damage. 

Aaaaaanywho...  Did we ever reach a consensus on whether or not Aver's is any good?  

So to recap...

Archie = Eisenhower (supreme commander)

Flint = Patton (help is on the way)

Crean = Hitler (started this whole mess)

Glass = FDR (declared war on Crean, and brought in Archie to fix the problem)

Blackmon = Stalin (he's on our side, but some are skeptical of his intentions)

OG = Switzerland (he'll be walking away with all the $$$ in the end)

 

And Avers is alright, but personally I preferred Pizza Express and Mother Bear's.  I also miss Greek's Pizza.

 

[Hoosier Guy]

I'm really excited to see Blackmon next year as a senior. I think he has a chance to be great under Archie


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[HoosierAloha]

Not to get too far off topic but generally I would agree with you. But there are some modern counter arguments to that logic
The occupations of Germany and Japan went off relatively peaceful because of the devastation they had endured. 

The occupation of Japan went off relatively peaceful because the emperor told the people to comply. If the emperor wouldn't have accepted the occupation it would have been messy. I've actually had deep conversations with Japanese elders that the atomic bombs were necessary to save lives.

[CR3AMnCR1MS0N]

So to recap...
Archie = Eisenhower (supreme commander)
Flint = Patton (help is on the way)
Crean = Hitler (started this whole mess)
Glass = FDR (declared war on Crean, and brought in Archie to fix the problem)
Blackmon = Stalin (he's on our side, but some are skeptical of his intentions)
OG = Switzerland (he'll be walking away with all the $$$ in the end)
 
And Avers is alright, but personally I preferred Pizza Express and Mother Bear's.  I also miss Greek's Pizza.
 

Oh my... We're comparing Crean to Hitler now...

[ElectricBoogaloo]

1 minute ago, CR3AMnCR1MS0N said:

 

Oh my... We're comparing Crean to Hitler now...

 

Internet laws of nature at work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Hitler analogies)[1][2] is an Internet adage which asserts that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler approaches 1"[2][3]‍—‌that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler.

[indy317219]

In fairness- you have to start with a clean slate as a leader in a new position. The decisions come as identified in your interview process. Probably expedited in this case due to so many moving parts. As opposed to "creaning"-I like the word "fit"