Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[Walking Boot of Doom]

I’m not worried. If Al wants to transfer, he won’t be going anywhere remotely near the caliber of Indiana or Archie Miller. I don’t get the impression that he’s a kid who expected more PT than he’s already gotten as a 200+ ranked recruit.


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[DChoosier]

I agree. I tried talking reasoning and examples but most were pretty animated. I was hoping someone had heard something to add, but him and Moore were both my guesses to leave though I'd love to keep both. Moore has loads of potential and Al could be a good piece as well.

Not saying you are wrong but what exactly leads you to believe that Moore has loads of potential? He is clearly, thank goodness, not a Tijan but at this point I am not real sure about his upside.


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[Brass Cannon]

39 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

 

Not saying you are wrong but what exactly leads you to believe that Moore has loads of potential? He is clearly, thank goodness, not a Tijan but at this point I am not real sure about his upside.


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He has physical tools to be successful. So far that's it

[Bailey7878]

He has physical tools to be successful. So far that's it

He won't play next year with Smith, Davis, and Morgan in the fold. Plus who knows about Race. He would still need another year imo if he's willing to gut it out.

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[Old Friend]

Clifton Moore is another in a long line of kids that fit "Tom Crean out thinks the room and searches for next diamond in the rough" mold.  If were capable of truly helping Indiana, even in the longer term, he'd have seen at least a decent number of minutes by now.    He is marginally better than Tim Priller.

[ALASKA HOOSIER]

I think race will surprise! I watched a couple of his games in HS and he was/is a brute inside!

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[Jam]

I think race will surprise! I watched a couple of his games in HS and he was/is a brute inside!

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Archie said early that Moore had the highest upside of the freshmen,but he was the least ready to play


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[ElectricBoogaloo]

9 hours ago, Old Friend said:

Clifton Moore is another in a long line of kids that fit "Tom Crean out thinks the room and searches for next diamond in the rough" mold.  If were capable of truly helping Indiana, even in the longer term, he'd have seen at least a decent number of minutes by now.    He is marginally better than Tim Priller.

In all fairness to Crean, he had an ability to find that kind of player. You don't always hit a home run when swinging for the fences. 

I'll agree that the good ones find a way to get on the court their freshman year though. 

[Old Friend]

7 minutes ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

In all fairness to Crean, he had an ability to find that kind of player. You don't always hit a home run when swinging for the fences. 

I'll agree that the good ones find a way to get on the court their freshman year though. 

I would argue he found one.   In 9 years.  And that kid was at DeMatha (not exactly hidden) with a better work ethic than most of the world.  

Lot of others wore jerseys and made contributions of one kind or another; but most flamed miserably.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

1 minute ago, Old Friend said:

I would argue he found one.   In 9 years.  And that kid was at DeMatha (not exactly hidden) with a better work ethic than most of the world.  

Lot of others wore jerseys and made contributions of one kind or another; but most flamed miserably.

Juwan is one of those players, isn't he? OG, Sheehey, Hulls. Holt would have been one of those guys if he didn't screw up. Same with Devin Davis. 

[Brass Cannon]

I don't think a top 150 player blossoming as an upperclassmen really counts as a diamond in the rough. 

[HoosierAloha]

In all fairness to Crean, he had an ability to find that kind of player. You don't always hit a home run when swinging for the fences. 
I'll agree that the good ones find a way to get on the court their freshman year though. 

He was able to find a few but he also provided himself a lot more opportunity. At one point he had given 5 more scholarships over a 5 year period than the next closest in the Big Ten. I would put Oladipo and OG is this category. They far exceeded their high school ranking.


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[323SGrant]

In all fairness to Crean, he had an ability to find that kind of player. You don't always hit a home run when swinging for the fences. 
I'll agree that the good ones find a way to get on the court their freshman year though. 

I’m not a Crean fan and I’m glad he’s gone, but Mo Creek was better than his ranking and but for the devastating injury, would have probably been in the NBA, but CTC had too many recruiting misses and average coaching ability.


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[Old Friend]

1 hour ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Juwan is one of those players, isn't he? OG, Sheehey, Hulls. Holt would have been one of those guys if he didn't screw up. Same with Devin Davis. 

Jordan Hulls was Mr. Basketball.   Come on...

OG had a terrific AAU season between junior and senior year.  He was a 4* recruit in some services.  So was Morgan.  Sheehey was nobody he couldn't have found within 2 hours of Bloomington.   Devin Davis was also highly rated.   None of the players on your list other than maybe Anunoby have out-performed their ranking.  Oladipo was a 3^ who became the college basketball player of the year and #2 draft pick.  

Can't agree with any "if's."   If my aunt had a sack, she'd be my uncle.   

[Ajwhitis]

I often forget how good that 2012-2013 team was

[Tom White]

18 hours ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

No one panic, not my intended purpose, but I made a tweet about Al having a bright future, but you can tell he's raw at times. I communicate with Southern Stampede and don't want this taken out of context. He deleted the tweet shortly after so he knew it wasn't a smart idea. We talked a bit and I don't have a sense if Al isn't happy, but wanted to share in case anyone else has heard anything. This could just be him looking out for Al and thinking he deserves more time who knows. Anyone have any further input?

Sounds to me like just one man's opinion. Wouldn't assign any more importance to it than that.

[cthomas]

I'm not going to bash Moore, but I don't think we are going to see anymore kids at IU who still need to "learn the game" after they get here as a scholarship player. Moore is a long way from the guys that Coach Miller is recruiting for the frontcourt. Maybe he can turn himself into one of those guys but, in the limited time I saw him play, I have a hard time visualizing it.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

1 hour ago, Old Friend said:

Jordan Hulls was Mr. Basketball.   Come on...

OG had a terrific AAU season between junior and senior year.  He was a 4* recruit in some services.  So was Morgan.  Sheehey was nobody he couldn't have found within 2 hours of Bloomington.   Devin Davis was also highly rated.   None of the players on your list other than maybe Anunoby have out-performed their ranking.  Oladipo was a 3^ who became the college basketball player of the year and #2 draft pick.  

Can't agree with any "if's."   If my aunt had a sack, she'd be my uncle.   

The point is all those players were ranked similar to Moore coming out of high school. Some were hits, some were misses. Moore appears to be a miss after his first season.

I know you are "Go Colts" and have a reputation to uphold though so I won't hold it against you.

[Bailey7878]

Clifton Moore is another in a long line of kids that fit "Tom Crean out thinks the room and searches for next diamond in the rough" mold.  If were capable of truly helping Indiana, even in the longer term, he'd have seen at least a decent number of minutes by now.    He is marginally better than Tim Priller.

You got it. Typical crean diamond in the ruff like april.

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[Bailey7878]

In all fairness to Crean, he had an ability to find that kind of player. You don't always hit a home run when swinging for the fences. 
I'll agree that the good ones find a way to get on the court their freshman year though. 

He found maybe two and had like ten busts. Those aren't great numbers.

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