Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[tyappleg 4,852]

It you're the guy that turns it over 6 times in 25 mins, is 6'10" and gets 6 rebs per game, or can't guard a folding chair, and needs confirmation of this, you might need take off he crimson glasses to look in the basketball mirror.

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It's just like a job interview or career fair. You go through the process, and if you aren't ready? Guess what? You at least get the experience of going through the process, going through workouts with NBA teams, hearing from NBA GM's and scouts, etc.

It's a great opportunity for these guys and they should be taking advantage of it.


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[tyappleg 4,852]

After watching IU basketball for over 50 yrs, I think I understand way more than you believe.



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You watching Indiana basketball in the 70's has nothing to do with the new NBA draft process that was introduced 1 year ago.


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[WayneFleekHoosier 49,539]

Yes, TB had a terrible year. TB has major weaknesses. I/WE want him back. He's a skilled player I still hope remains a Hoosier (I think he might not)

If a NBA team falls in love with him, great for both parties.


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[Hoosierfan2017 22,769]

Losing all three would hurt next year but it would help balance our classes. I'm surprised to see Bryant so high on the draft board. He'd be a huge risk as a 1st rounder. 

[Brass Cannon 25,155]

4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Losing all three would hurt next year but it would help balance our classes. I'm surprised to see Bryant so high on the draft board. He'd be a huge risk as a 1st rounder. 

I would fire my GM if they used a first on him. A second rounder I could see but still stay and go in a weaker draft. 

[Hoosierfan2017 22,769]

9 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I would fire my GM if they used a first on him. A second rounder I could see but still stay and go in a weaker draft. 

I get that NBA people like big guys that can shoot, but at this point I don't even know what position TB would be able to play. His feet are too slow to play on the perimeter and he's too weak to play down low. He would get eaten alive on D. I think Crean trying to make him a wing screwed with his game and he never really got comfortable on the court. If he stays he could get back to doing what made him so successful his freshman year. 

[IU Hambone 141]

For those concerned about some of our guys declaring: 78 underclassmen declared without hiring an agent last season. 6 were drafted, 12 stayed and were undrafted, and 60 returned to school. Just wanted to point out that this is normal.

(Note: stats taken from a Reddit post but the post looks accurate.)

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[HoosierX 1,743]

2 hours ago, NCHoosier said:

Since we're discussing this in this thread, here is Chad Ford's draft predictions: http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/18875530/2017-nba-draft-out

 

In summary:

OG: 15-25

TB: 25-50

JBJR: Possible 2nd Rounder but most likely undrafted

RoJo: Not discussed

 

 

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Interesting that Chad Ford would mention Blackmon as even a possible 2nd rounder.

Frank Mason is projected to go at the end of the 2nd round. There is no chance that Blackmon gets drafted. I honestly don't think he would get drafted if there were 3 rounds.

[Brass Cannon 25,155]

2 minutes ago, Schreckbagger said:

 

I doubt any feedback they get from this will be much different than they received from their prior coach. If not, their prior coach was doing a really poor job.

This whole "test the waters" thing needs to go away. It's not good for college bball.



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The College and Pro game are very different the feedback they get from NBA scouts if first hand info on what they want to see.  Versus feedback from coaches on what they THINK NBA scouts are looking for. 

And if helping college kids make informed choices is bad for the college game then there is a really big problem.  Huge in fact.  

[Ajwhitis 705]

 I doubt any feedback they get from this will be much different than they received from their prior coach. If not, their prior coach was doing a really poor job.

 

This whole "test the waters" thing needs to go away. It's not good for college bball.

 

 

 

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It's not good for college BBall? The game has changed, the rule isn't made for fans, it's made for players. You can't argue that prior coaches tell them what to work on, because college basketball and the NBA are different beasts completely. The rule was made so kids can continue to make a living instead of risking it all and ultimately failing. The NBA scouts don't only tell them what to work on, they also tell the players whether they'd benefit in going to school for another year or not.

As for Bryant, I think he would benefit financially if he came back, because even if he did not improve next year, he'd still likely be drafted higher than this year because the big man depth in next years draft is shaping up to be a lot weaker than this years. This year is stacked with big guys. Blackmon should go however, his defensive inability did not come from a lack of effort, it came from a lack of skill on that end, he lack lateral quickness, but he is however an offensive power and NBA teams will pay for that, even if he isn't drafted, he'll have an opportunity to impress in summer camps and workouts.

 

 

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[Brass Cannon 25,155]

Ok since you didn't get the insinuation I'll say it bluntly. 

If helping kids make informed choices is bad for the college game. The screw the college game. 

College is about preparing for life after college why should that be different because they are athletes. 

If you want to argue that basketball should adopt a system similar to baseball where they either go pro or stay 3 years that's one thing. And it would ensure roster stability. 

But preventing people from making informed decisions is never good for the long term health of an organization. 

[Brass Cannon 25,155]

And if anything kids being able to get feedback if anything prevents roster turnover because you have fewer kids going into the draft who have no chance of being drafted. 

[rcbowla 7,366]

It's good for the student athletes that believe it or not will have a life after their time in college. They are essentially trying to better their chances at success in the future. So are you against someone trying to better themselves? That seems hateful if so

[mdn82 25,747]

Let's look at that preparation for life thingy then. Unless you're a 1st rounder, being drafted has little guarantee.

Here's the informed decision data they need...
Of second rounders 26% never make a team. Of the ones that do, 48% last less than three years. So only 26% last more than three.

How many scouts will tell them this.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/9722192

And yes, change the process. Something needs done about early entry.



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Well glad you brought this up. The process was changed to avoid these stats you brought up. So you are kind of arguing against yourself. On your other argument of getting rid of the early entry. Kids don't play college ball to play 4 years. They play for a chance to enter their career of choice. Remember, college basketball is amateurism....


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[Hovadipo 58,784]

Hateful.....Lol

Is this your safe place??

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Don't start that stuff in here.

[RedsIUfan 161]

7 hours ago, NCHoosier said:

Since we're discussing this in this thread, here is Chad Ford's draft predictions: http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/18875530/2017-nba-draft-out

 

In summary:

OG: 15-25

TB: 25-50

JBJR: Possible 2nd Rounder but most likely undrafted

RoJo: Not discussed

 

 

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I'm enjoying y'alls back and forth. I see pros and cons on both sides. Related to this post but unrelated to your convo. I don't see the potential for OG that others do. I think he and TB benefited greatly their freshman year from the ability of Yogi to break down and draw defenders. I know that guards do this in the NBA but the athleticism is greater overall and I'm not sure about their abilities at that level

[Trish 12,506]

OG - 10-25

TB - 35-60

James - 45-60

RoJo - Undrafted

Maybe they take a chance at it. Hell, Yogi is the starting PG for the Mavs and Troy is signed to a multi year deal with the Rockets. 

 

I believe James, Thomas, and RoJo will all be back though. 

[GloryDays 6,020]

I wish they would let kids go straight out of highschool or make them play 3.Just my opinion but really think the one and done thing has hurt the college game.

[CrossboneIU22 1,422]

I'm enjoying y'alls back and forth. I see pros and cons on both sides. Related to this post but unrelated to your convo. I don't see the potential for OG that others do. I think he and TB benefited greatly their freshman year from the ability of Yogi to break down and draw defenders. I know that guards do this in the NBA but the athleticism is greater overall and I'm not sure about their abilities at that level

I agree with you but that is more of a reason OG should go, his draft stock is more likely to be hurt by him returning. It could improve, but the percentage of chance says he has a better shot at losing draft spots by returning if what this is true about OG


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[CrossboneIU22 1,422]

I wish they would let kids go straight out of highschool or make them play 3.Just my opinion but really think the one and done thing has hurt the college game.

Agreed


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