TOM CREAN FIRED

[TheWatShot]

I don't really view Donovan as an NBA lifer and could easily see him coming back to college. It wouldn't be easy, but it's possible. He coached at Florida for nearly 20 years, and he even went back after signing a contract with the Magic. Because of that, he wasn't allowed to accept any NBA job for 5 years. Doesn't sound like a guy whose dream is the NBA. I think if the IU job was open, he'd seriously consider it. 

 

Stevens, on the other hand, is more than a pipe dream. Barring some major turn of events, he will never coach here or at any college for a long, long time. He reportedly loves having summers off and hated the recruiting element of college. He also wasn't too thrilled about Butler leaving the Horizon League and having to recruit against bigger schools because of all the cheating that goes on in recruiting. 

 

I would love Donovan or Bennett. Those need to be our top two targets. 

[HoosierTrav]

I don't really view Donovan as an NBA lifer and could easily see him coming back to college. It wouldn't be easy, but it's possible. He coached at Florida for nearly 20 years, and he even went back after signing a contract with the Magic. Because of that, he wasn't allowed to accept any NBA job for 5 years. Doesn't sound like a guy whose dream is the NBA. I think if the IU job was open, he'd seriously consider it. 

 

Stevens, on the other hand, is more than a pipe dream. Barring some major turn of events, he will never coach here or at any college for a long, long time. He reportedly loves having summers off and hated the recruiting element of college. He also wasn't too thrilled about Butler leaving the Horizon League and having to recruit against bigger schools because of all the cheating that goes on in recruiting. 

 

I would love Donovan or Bennett. Those need to be our top two targets. 

Stevens clarified in an interview with Dan Patrick that he actually loved recruiting. Not sure where that rumor came up from but it's false.

[Gahoosierfan]

This has been another Crean season. Its been pretty depressing since the Ft Wayne game. I knew then that things were going to go terribly wrong. I would love to be able to see into the future and know Crean's status. I do have to believe that Glass is feeling extreme heat from the alumni, fans, general public, and most importantly the trustees. I am optimistic that he is finally ready to make a change. I believe he is trying to remain positive in his public comments to help recruiting , but planning in private for Crean's invevitable departure. Fingers crossed !

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

After last night's beatdown by Michigan:

"The turnovers are a joke, and that all should fall on me. So, don't even bother ripping them, just look at me."

- Tom Izzo

 

 

 

Don't recall ever hearing CTC say anthing like this after a loss.

 

 

 

[Trish]

8 hours ago, HoosierTrav said:

 

Stevens clarified in an interview with Dan Patrick that he actually loved recruiting. Not sure where that rumor came up from but it's false.

 

We all know he's going to be recruiting Gordon Hayward to the Celtics this summer. Stevens coming to Indiana isn't going to happen:(

 

 

[Stuhoo]

19 minutes ago, Treesh said:

We all know he's going to be recruiting Gordon Hayward to the Celtics this summer. Stevens coming to Indiana isn't going to happen:(

 

 

 

Hoiberg, Marshall, Archie.

I'm guessing that would be the most likely list (and in what order I do not know), if we truly are in search mode after this season.

 

[Josh]

Why Hoiberg? In 5 years as a college coach, his highlight is one Sweet 16. Don't we want an upgrade from Crean?

FIRE HIM! This is embarrassing

[Stuhoo]

16 minutes ago, Josh said:

Why Hoiberg? In 5 years as a college coach, his highlight is one Sweet 16. Don't we want an upgrade from Crean?

FIRE HIM! This is embarrassing
 

 

Excellent job at Iowa State; getting to the Sweet Sixteen and winning 23+ games per season there is no small task, and is an upgrade from CTC's results.

Iowa State Cyclones (Big 12 Conference) (2010–2015)

• 2010–11 Iowa State 16–16, 3–13 in conference
• 2011–12 Iowa State 23–11, 12–6 in conference, NCAA Round of 32
• 2012–13 Iowa State 23–12, 11–7 in conference, NCAA Round of 32
• 2013–14 Iowa State 28–8 11–7 in conference, NCAA Sweet Sixteen
• 2014–15 Iowa State 25–9, 12–6 in conference, NCAA Round of 64
• Total at Iowa State:115–56 (.673) 49–39 in conference (.557)

Pros: Great personality/face of a program. VERY likeable; Indiana high school coaches will be immediately enamored. Young, but not too young; still evolving and improving as a coach. Pro and major conference college head coaching experience. Very detail oriented. Fun, pro-style offensive system that high-end recruits will flock to. Fantastic, yet unblemished recruiter. And, unlike Self, Stevens, Donovan, Sean Miller, and others mentioned...will be available.

Cons: Never had a team that has dominated defensively. Never been a big NCAA tournament success. 

 

Chart of Iowa State since 2000, with Hoiberg's 2010-2015 period far and away the most productive:

Season Records

Season	Overall	Conference
2001	25–6	13–3
2002	12–19	4–12
2003	17–14	5–11
2004	20–13	7–9
2005	19–12	9–7
2006	16–14	6–10
2007	15–16	6–10
2008	14–18	4–12
2009	15–17	4–12
2010	15–17	4–12
2011	16–16	3–13
2012	23–11	12–6
2013	23–12	11–7
2014	28–8	11–7
2015	25–9	12–6
2016	23–12	10–8
2017	14–8	6-4

 

[Josh]

Yeah, those cons tho. I want a coach that knows how to win conference titles and make runs in March. Hoiberg has neither. Imo he isn't an upgrade at all.

FIRE HIM! This is embarrassing

[Stuhoo]

7 minutes ago, Josh said:

Yeah, those cons tho. I want a coach that knows how to win conference titles and make runs in March. Hoiberg has neither. Imo he isn't an upgrade at all.

FIRE HIM! This is embarrassing
 

 

Those two yellow bolded years from the chart are conference tournament championship years.

In my opinion, you need to step back at little bit with candidate performance expectations. Coaches at major conference champion caliber teams that are regularly getting very far in the NCAAs are not looking to move! That's not a knock on IUBB; the Jay Wrights and Bill Selfs of the world are not looking to move anywhere.

 

[Josh]

Yes, regularly getting far in the tournament is unattainable. But show me some success. If the Sweet 16 is your pinnacle, you should be excluded imo.

FIRE HIM! This is embarrassing

[Stuhoo]

7 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

You make a decent case for him being a moderate upgrade. In my opinion IU should only make the move for a "can't miss", home-run type hire. Of course I would like someone that addresses the short-comings of CTC's teams, but unless the new guy is THE ONE to hang a banner, not worth it. Maybe unrealistic, but that is my opinion. Otherwise we'll just be on a treadmill of constantly seeking marginal improvement. I don't see Marshal or especially Hoiberg as that guy.

 

Well then, under that standard we will have a situation in which:

1. We reach out to Stevens and Donovan annually,
2. They say no annually, and
3. We have Tom Crean as IU's basketball coach indefinitely.

 

[Stuhoo]

3 minutes ago, Josh said:

Yes, regularly getting far in the tournament is unattainable. But show me some success. If the Sweet 16 is your pinnacle, you should be excluded imo.

FIRE HIM! This is embarrassing
 

 

It was Hoiberg's pinnacle when he inherited a terrible team at IOWA STATE, stayed a total of five years, and never had a team with star quality future-NBA level talent.

 

[Josh]

 

It was Hoiberg's pinnacle when he inherited a terrible team at IOWA STATE, stayed a total of five years, and never had a team with star quality future-NBA level talent.

 

So what successes does he hang his hat on? His history is unimpressive. We should not hire somebody with a record similar to Crean based upon potential. I want a clear upgrade. Somebody with success to show.

FIRE HIM! This is embarrassing

[Stuhoo]

Just now, Josh said:

So what successes does he hang his hat on? His history is unimpressive. We should not hire somebody with a record similar to Crean based upon potential. I want a clear upgrade. Somebody with success to show.

FIRE HIM! This is embarrassing
 

 

8 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Well then, under that standard we will have a situation in which:

1. We reach out to Stevens and Donovan annually,
2. They say no annually, and
3. We have Tom Crean as IU's basketball coach indefinitely.

 

 

[Josh]

There's more available than Stevens and Donovan. C'mon man.

FIRE HIM! This is embarrassing

[Stuhoo]

Just now, Josh said:

There's more available than Stevens and Donovan. C'mon man.

FIRE HIM! This is embarrassing
 

 

Yes!!!

Very accomplished coaches that could do amazing things at IUBB like Hoiberg, Archie, Mack, and Marshall.

 

[HoosierCoop]

Recently spoke with a family friend up around the lake areas in Indiana.  He is connected with Stevens that owns a residence on one of the lakes.  He quoted Stevens as saying that the one thing he truly enjoys since moving to the NBA is the increased amount of family time that he has acquired.  He also said that the NBA is not a 365 day job like in college.

Just saying...unless he is fired from Boston...there is no way in Hades he is making a move on his own that would take away that freedom.

[Hovadipo]

Hoiberg was good enough to land an NBA job. That has to mean at least something. I'm very on the fence about him though. He was known for bringing in great transfers to carry his ISU teams. I wonder what his recruiting would be like here. You have to imagine this NBA experience would add to his recruiting pitch at IU. I'm open to him, just not convinced.


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[Brass Cannon]

FH never built a consistent high level winner thoigh. 12-6 isn't gonna get it done here in conference.