TOM CREAN FIRED

[mdn82 25,510]

I didnt read it as Ken backtracking at all. He clarified for ppl who wanted more info. Ive had some good pm conversations with some guys over there prior to Ken posting and all he was saying is what was being said behind the scenes over there. 

I dont know if HH has sources. Ive had run ins with him in the past and he gave me a temporary ban for saying a joke with no profanity or putting anyone down. Basically, he really just banned me for being anti-Crean and thats when I found btown banners. But overall, i tend to think HH just says whatever to show support Crean and rile up the anti-Crean crowd. 

Honestly in places like this it's hard to say. Plus like both you and Weaver noted he isn't looking at this in a subjective way. This is one there is no way to say for sure something is happening with certain. That is why I discredit what he says to a degree. Too many negatives this season on top of uncertainty.


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[Hoosier Guy 7,529]

There is absolutely no way Tom Crean is back next year. Fred Glass can't be that big of an idiot. There is no way Glass doesn't hear the negative noise from everywhere. This is what I keep telling myself anyway

[Trish 11,527]

There is absolutely no way Tom Crean is back next year. Fred Glass can't be that big of an idiot. There is no way Glass doesn't hear the negative noise from everywhere. This is what I keep telling myself anyway

I believe he'll be back despite the injuries. I don't see Glass firing him due to a couple things. First the injuries, yes it shouldn't be an excuse we were playing terrible basketball since November. However, losing a top 10 draft pick and James is not easy. I'm not excusing Crean for it but I think Glass might.

Second, I think Crean will get his usual Crean wins coming up here. I imagine we'll probably get a couple wins we shouldn't have @Purdue for example. We'll probably make the tourney and knowing Crean's luck, we'll probably survive the first weekend somehow someway. I can totally see this happening and therefore Crean will buy himself another year.

Only way he leaves is if we continue to go downwards and miss the dance. I'm talking losing our next 4 out of 5 or whatever, getting embarrassed first round of the Big Tourney, and missing the dance. Then just maybe then will Crean "resign". It's hard to see Crean leaving on his own because he's too damn proud of his team filled with Gelon's and Prillers (no offense to these guys) but it's the truth. Again though.. it's hard to see Glass doing this, this year at least.

By April 2018, Crean will no longer be our coach. I can put money on that.


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[Hoosier Guy 7,529]

12 minutes ago, Treesh said:

 

I believe he'll be back despite the injuries. I don't see Glass firing him due to a couple things. First the injuries, yes it shouldn't be an excuse we were playing terrible basketball since November. However, losing a top 10 draft pick and James is not easy. I'm not excusing Crean for it but I think Glass might.

Second, I think Crean will get his usual Crean wins coming up here. I imagine we'll probably get a couple wins we shouldn't have @Purdue for example. We'll probably make the tourney and knowing Crean's luck, we'll probably survive the first weekend somehow someway. I can totally see this happening and therefore Crean will buy himself another year.

Only way he leaves is if we continue to go downwards and miss the dance. I'm talking losing our next 4 out of 5 or whatever, getting embarrassed first round of the Big Tourney, and missing the dance. Then just maybe then will Crean "resign". It's hard to see Crean leaving on his own because he's too damn proud of his team filled with Gelon's and Prillers (no offense to these guys) but it's the truth. Again though.. it's hard to see Glass doing this, this year at least.

By April 2018, Crean will no longer be our coach. I can put money on that.


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I think the 3rd scenario plays out. I don't see any way this team makes the NCAA tournament. Crean won't resign though because his ego is way too big. But I also believe your 1st scenario could happen as well. This team will miss the tournament but Crean will probably be excused due to injuries to his top players. But all of us know that IU was terrible before all the injuries started. They started 1-3 in conference with everyone except Hartman, who has been out the entire year

[Hoosier Guy 7,529]

10 hours ago, weaverswonders6 said:

Yes, HH dislikes me as well for giving factual basis for why I want CTC gone. Guy is delusional in his support for Crean as the long-term solution. I also got a ban from him and didn't post for months

Ah yes HH. You say anything negative about Crean and it's like WW III. Guy is delusional with his love for Crean

[Feathery 4,005]

2 hours ago, Hoosier Guy said:

I think the 3rd scenario plays out. I don't see any way this team makes the NCAA tournament. Crean won't resign though because his ego is way too big. But I also believe your 1st scenario could happen as well. This team will miss the tournament but Crean will probably be excused due to injuries to his top players. But all of us know that IU was terrible before all the injuries started. They started 1-3 in conference with everyone except Hartman, who has been out the entire year

Yep, Hartmann cant be an excuse. You beat Kansas and UNC without him. Anyone using his injury as an excuse is not in reality. 

Im not as down on Glass as some of you guys are. I dont know the man but I know people who do, and they all say he is very smart and knows what he is doing. I respect those ppl who say that, so I tend to think he will support Crean up until the there is a change. 

Lastest rumor is on the Rivals national board that there have been positive talks on both sides between Frank Martin and IU. I was a little surprised by that name and looked up his defensive numbers, the guy can coach defense and has shown it over time. Currently the best defense in the country and tied for first in the SEC. 

[Hoosier Guy 7,529]

3 minutes ago, Feathery said:

Yep, Hartmann cant be an excuse. You beat Kansas and UNC without him. Anyone using his injury as an excuse is not in reality. 

Im not as down on Glass as some of you guys are. I dont know the man but I know people who do, and they all say he is very smart and knows what he is doing. I respect those ppl who say that, so I tend to think he will support Crean up until the there is a change. 

Lastest rumor is in the Rivals national viard that there have been positive talks on both sides between Frank Martin and IU. I was a little surprised by that bame and looked up his defensive numbers, the guy can coach defense and has shown it over time. Currently thr best defense in the country and tied for first in the SEC. 

I've said that Glass just can't bring back Crean. I don't think he's dumb by any means. But if he somehow brings back Crean, I will start to question that statement. And Frank Martin can definitely coach basketball. His Kansas State teams were pretty fundamentally sound. And South Carolina? He's doing wonders with that program. Tied for first in the SEC with Kentucky is extraordinary

[Stuhoo 80,175]

Frank Martin is the closest thing there is in today's college basketball to a "Bob Knight personality."
He can really coach. He is REALLY intense.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,359]

Ah, another name surfaces in the replace CTC pool.  Approximately 350 D1 head coaches and I think cumulatively probably at least 30 have been mentioned.  Desparate times call for desparate measures!!

But all in all, I think I could support Frank Martin.

 

[Feathery 4,005]

26 minutes ago, Hoosier Guy said:

I've said that Glass just can't bring back Crean. I don't think he's dumb by any means. But if he somehow brings back Crean, I will start to question that statement. And Frank Martin can definitely coach basketball. His Kansas State teams were pretty fundamentally sound. And South Carolina? He's doing wonders with that program. Tied for first in the SEC with Kentucky is extraordinary

I'm with you on that. If Crean is back, then Glass should be queationed and his seat should also be on the line. 

[HoosierTrav 7,841]

I can tell you a few things, as I watch UD basketball second to IU (went to Dayton and lived in the area for 6-7 years before moving south).  Archie started his first 2 yrs at UD with 20-13 and 17-14 and hasn't won less than 25 since. He has the EE run that ppl point to, but also a remarkably similar curve upwards in his teams record, both in total wins and conference (7-9, 10-6, 13-5, 14-4).  He coaches D at a high level, with his team's adj D finishing at 31, 15, and 22(current year).  He's led UD to the best 3 year winning stretch in program history and will likely lead them to their 4 straight NCAA appearance (something CTC has NEVER done btw).  Factor in the roster challenges he has faced in the last few years (one year he had no one over 6'6 due to kicking some gents to the curb) and you start to see why he's an up and coming coach many are excited about.

Love Archie. Has the name, the pedigree, and is solid in both recruiting and in game coaching. He's a future star. He's a better game coach than his brother Sean.

[CrossboneIU22 1,193]

I watched the Dayton game last night and while it was one game (I'll give it another game or two) I was not impressed. At one point I really thought I was watching a Crean coached game. Offense looked shockingly similar in design. It was better executed than IU normally does but still not thrilled with it. Defense was ok but not spectacular. Overall just seemed marginally better than what we have with a very similar style (which I don't like). Don't get me wrong though, I will take him over Crean but so far he would be down the list. I will watch more games as tournament approaches and give him more of a chance but was not that impressed after one game.


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[schoosier 3,471]

40 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Frank Martin is the closest thing there is in today's college basketball to a "Bob Knight personality."
He can really coach. He is REALLY intense.
 

 

 

 

 

 

I have witnessed 28 years of SC basketball now, so I will give my $.02. Martin is a good man although his ethics have been questioned while coaching high school ball in Miami. He gave his players $. He has been suspended for his sideline abuse and profanity, which occurred a year or two ago. He's a good coach and has run off talented players who had off court issues normally to the tune of 2-3 per year. He got spanked by UK this year and recently lost a 4 OT game at home to the powerful UGA Bulldogs. He has never lead the Cocks to a NCAA birth although they should make it this year. He won at Kansas State with Huggins players and has never recruited the Midwest. Bottom line...He would be a huge upgrade to our current, but way down my list of others. I would put him as a C candidate. 

[weaverswonders6 388]

25 minutes ago, CrossboneIU22 said:

I watched the Dayton game last night and while it was one game (I'll give it another game or two) I was not impressed. At one point I really thought I was watching a Crean coached game. Offense looked shockingly similar in design. It was better executed than IU normally does but still not thrilled with it. Defense was ok but not spectacular. Overall just seemed marginally better than what we have with a very similar style (which I don't like). Don't get me wrong though, I will take him over Crean but so far he would be down the list. I will watch more games as tournament approaches and give him more of a chance but was not that impressed after one game.


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I've been watching UD ball since Brian Gregory was there and I went to school up that way.  I've seen Archie the past 5+ years.  Not sure how you come to your conclusion after watching 1 game, but to each their own.  Wherever Archie ends up after leaving UD, he'll turn that program into a perennial tourney team and make good runs due to the way he has his teams play defense.  While I'd still like Marshall or Bennett over him, he's high up on my list as one of the better young coaches in college basketball.  

[IUHAHN81 2,177]

I know I know I'm living in the past but I LOVED having a coach that has DEMANDING passion.  I've always liked Frank Martin because like said above, closest coaching personality to Coach Knight there is today.  Gimme some of that kinda coach back on the sidelines please.

[johnsoniu 6,352]

Said two years ago I'd give Archie the keys to the program and not think twice. Been bird dogging him and UD for the better part of three seasons and I still feel that way. Dudes legit. 

 

[schoosier 3,471]

12 minutes ago, johnsoniu said:

Said two years ago I'd give Archie the keys to the program and not think twice. Been bird dogging him and UD for the better part of three seasons and I still feel that way. Dudes legit. 

 

I would also feel great about him being our next coach. If you give him the resources available at Indiana, he would succeed and may be our next Bob Knight. I would list him at the top or near top of my B candidates. My A candidates are Stevens, Donovan, and Hoiberg.

[CrossboneIU22 1,193]

I've been watching UD ball since Brian Gregory was there and I went to school up that way.  I've seen Archie the past 5+ years.  Not sure how you come to your conclusion after watching 1 game, but to each their own.  Wherever Archie ends up after leaving UD, he'll turn that program into a perennial tourney team and make good runs due to the way he has his teams play defense.  While I'd still like Marshall or Bennett over him, he's high up on my list as one of the better young coaches in college basketball.  

I can completely agree with what you said. It was just one game and there are many factors at play, just the one thing that jumped out at me was that at one point I really thought I could be watching a current Crean coached game and didn't like that. I will say the execution was better but the style was too familiar. I think he will be a really good coach but not sure if he'll ever win a NCAA championship. He may consistently be in the tourney and make some runs, just not sure he'll get over hump. But, I could be wrong.

My list, which can change, currently is as follows:

Stevens (reportedly has already said no)
Donavon
Wright
Marshall
Few
Bennet

If it gets past that list then:
In no particular order
S Miller
A Miller
F Martin
C Holtman
C Collins
B Drew
C Mack



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[Hoosier Guy 7,529]

I've stated my top 3 current college coaches I would want and that's Bennett, Archie Miller and Marshall. I'm torn on Bennett and Archie though. I think either of those would be better than Marshall. That's not to say I wouldn't welcome Marshall but I do think Tony Bennett and Archie Miller would be better suited for IU

[VO5 8,272]

Frank Martin? My God no. I'd rather keep Crean. REALLY hope that rumor is false. Donovan (probably unrealistic), Marshall, Bennett, Archie should be our top choices and we shouldn't have to go outside of that pool to find someone. Would be extremely hard for me to get behind Frank Martin. He hasn't done anything.