TOM CREAN FIRED

[HoosierTrav 7,881]

Question -- If Crean manages to turn this around, we finish a game or two shy of the Big Ten regular season title, but we do well in the Big Ten Tournament, not necessarily win it, but we do well. And then in NCAA we make the Sweet 16 but lose a close one to an extremely hot team who would beat anyone on that night. Would you guys want Crean gone?


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Yes. At this point, we know know exactly what we are getting. Many excuses were made for the man early and throughout. Now there is nearly a decade of consistent data that can reliably help us forecast what our ceiling will be. What he is, isn't good enough for this job. If the university makes it ok, then I no longer support the team with my dollars or viewership.

[Bobman1 2,909]

Alright, I'm honestly with you I think it'd be better for both parties if Crean wasn't the coach at IU next season. I was just asking a thought provoking question on a scenario which wouldn't shock me and something we've seen in recent years, and i was wondering your guys take on the matter. Sounds like at the moment, it's a pretty clear and consensus no to Crean.


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[TheWatShot 13,915]

I have a feeling this is Crean's final year. 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,263]

13 minutes ago, Calipari said:

Question -- If Crean manages to turn this around, we finish a game or two shy of the Big Ten regular season title, but we do well in the Big Ten Tournament, not necessarily win it, but we do well. And then in NCAA we make the Sweet 16 but lose a close one to an extremely hot team who would beat anyone on that night. Would you guys want Crean gone?


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Honestly I would be really impressed if he managed to do well in the Big Ten Tournament. I think I would still want him gone, but if your scenario played out I could possibly see myself cooling off on wanting Crean gone like I did after last season. 

[HoosierTrav 7,881]

There are a lot of folks that are being openly critical of CTC tonight. Many of them are people who I could of swore I'd never see be critical towards him.

[Trish 11,548]

I'll ask this question again, as I liked the dialogue it created last time I did.  When is the last time anyone said Indiana had the best coach in the building when we played a good team?  

Tom Crean has a system.  He spreads the floor, recruits kids who he thinks can succeed in a catch and shoot offense, and runs a decent secondary break.   

When teams take that away, as Wisconsin consistently does, Indiana loses.  I haven't looked everything up, but I know for sure that in the Butler, Louisville, and Wisconsin loses (and I think Nebraska, too), we've had more turnovers than assists and more turnovers that our opponent.   Why?   Because we have nothing to fall back on,  Tom Crean is being paid millions of dollars to recruit mediocre recruiting classes, have teams devoid of basketball players who understand the game, a team now devoid of leadership, and an offense so elementary, a 6-6 team can come into our building and beat us.  His team can't guard.  His team doesn't play fundamentally sound and makes consistently poor decisions with the ball.   We put-rebounded Wisconsin tonight by 7, and we made 4 more FT's.   As usual, turnovers and horrible shot quality got the best of us, and we got beat.

The pattern is very obvious, and the flaws were there when Verdell Jones was here.  Cody Zeller, Victor Oladipo, and Yogi Ferrell (and frankly, Dwayne Wade) can mask a lot of deficiencies, and I'm sorry....but Tom Crean is not a solid basketball coach.  He might not be even top 5 in this state.

 

Exactly. Honestly, id imagine some of the cup cakes we've played this year are better coaches than Crean, they just can't recruit because it's not "Indiana".

CTC will never be that guy. We have 8 years worth of evidence that he will never be that guy to consistently win at a high national level. We all agree the team will get their two big wins. Then we will lose to a D13 school in terms of talent. We can't rely on any in game adjustments , we've learned that by now. How about an out of bounds play to score? LOL! Keep Dreaming!

Sweet 16 Crean is simply to predictable. I'm sick of him and I'm ready to move one


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[Brass Cannon 24,699]

I really can not see the harm in giving Holtmann 3 years. Even if he's not the guy I would think we could get him in a heartbeat and he's clearly a better coach than Crean  

 

[schoosier 3,475]

28 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

He seems like a good guy, but I've heard "not a nice guy" and "a$$hole" a few times to describe him.

Yes, when I use to watch his infamous post game pressers he would usually get upset normally after another loss when asked specifically about game flow or something not on his stat sheet recap. His standard reply was I will have to watch the tape. He did pull some kids out of a snow bank and once fed a homeless man a cheeseburger though. 

[Brass Cannon 24,699]

2 minutes ago, schoosier said:

Yes, when I use to watch his infamous post game pressers he would usually get upset normally after another loss when asked specifically about game flow or something not on his stat sheet recap. His standard reply was I will have to watch the tape. He did pull some kids out of a snow bank and once fed a homeless man a cheeseburger though. 

After forcing the guy to listen to him preach about god. That's not true charity. 

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

I have a feeling this is Crean's final year. 

I wish I could envision that but Crean will do just enough for the people that matter. It's his style.

[recker222000 1,010]

I wish I could envision that but Crean will do just enough for the people that matter. It's his style.

The only scenario i could foresee is he pushes for an extension now and glass says no. Then crean bolts cause he knows if next year aint good he is out of time not because of glass but the donors finally have had enough.

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[MikeRoberts 6,998]

I have a feeling this is Crean's final year. 

Did you get that feeling from your source?

[TheWatShot 13,915]

4 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Did you get that feeling from your source?

I haven't checked with that source since before the Nebraska game. I just think our season will end in rather boring fashion, and being forced to extend or fire, Glass will choose the latter. 

[MikeRoberts 6,998]

I haven't checked with that source since before the Nebraska game. I just think our season will end in rather boring fashion, and being forced to extend or fire, Glass will choose the latter. 

We are projected to finish 9-9 in conference and 19-12 on the season... I would hope that is enough to sever ties finally

[Uwe Robb 1,072]

We are projected to finish 9-9 in conference and 19-12 on the season... I would hope that is enough to sever ties finally

Especially with a weak B1G. After tonight should only have 2 teams ranked in top 25.


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[hsrtxp 1,400]

There are a lot of folks that are being openly critical of CTC tonight. Many of them are people who I could of swore I'd never see be critical towards him.

Such as?


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[Stuhoo 80,486]

Chronic Hoosier ‏@ChronicHoosier  11h11 hours ago

The Kansas & UNC wins were great & all, but #iubb is now 2-5 this year vs. teams worth a sh_t.

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[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Honestly I would be really impressed if he managed to do well in the Big Ten Tournament. I think I would still want him gone, but if your scenario played out I could possibly see myself cooling off on wanting Crean gone like I did after last season. 

^ This is exactly what would/will happen. I fully expect Crean to turn this season into another *good* season, and the seat too cool off. Without the homerun hire available, he'll get another few years added on to his contract.


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[brandct 610]

1 minute ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

^ This is exactly what would/will happen. I fully expect Crean to turn this season into another *good* season, and the seat too cool off. Without the homerun hire available, he'll get another few years added on to his contract.


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If this happens, and it should not, the buyout better be at a reasonable level. The pay should also be what he is worth.

[bleedhoosier 3,627]

Going to take empty seats and or booing before they read a single email

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Absolutely. If yall feel strongly about a coaching change, this is it. Empty the stands. It's hard, it's a moral decision about also feeling like you are abandoning players which don't deserve it. But the band aid has to be torn off at some point.

I've not attended a game since one of the first cupcakes, last year. No more money shelled out for this coach. I seriously hate having to do this. My wife even called to tell me she had Nebraska tickets in the cart. I told her to cancel and remember that we are boycotting Tom Crean. It's the only way I feel I can be effective, as a fan.

..and maybe a better plan is to let coach have it, but still be at the game. I don't think it would be effective though. It's worth mentioning that he is a fantastic man and I hope he comes back to play IU and we give him a standing ovation for the rebuild! Seriosuly, that should happen.

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