TOM CREAN FIRED

[HoosierCoop 3,950]

I will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER wish losses on IU.  Seriously guys???  I don't care how bad the coach is.

[KingPG21 6,587]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Indiana Basketball is so tremendously popular that attendance and fan support will always, always be there. Always.

There is no need to boycott games or boo (though that is certainly anyone's prerogative). The very high end boosters are sitting court-side and taking in the in-game experience just like we all are. They have become high-end boosters overwhelmingly while being very successful in life, and doing what needs to be done. They can gauge the success, the organization, and the potential of the team as well or better than we all can. If the Tom Crean era is trending down, they will act accordingly.

Remember, and I believe this is very important: Tom Crean has three years left on his contract after this year, and if necessary there are many boosters who will easily cover the buyout. At the 'three years left' mark, it is time to either extend or move on. If we don't, 2018 recruits will have no expectation that the coach they are signing with will be there for their junior year. That's huge.

 

So the last part, do people think high school kids have that much forethought? I mean when I was in high school I know I certainly wasn't thinking that far ahead, then again  definitely wasn't an insane athlete planning on playing in the NBA at some point. I think 2018 kids wouldn't think about it as much, especially if they only plan on being here for a year or two, but 2019 and 2020 kids certainly would hesitate

[Stuhoo 81,802]

1 minute ago, KingPG21 said:

So the last part, do people think high school kids have that much forethought? I mean when I was in high school I know I certainly wasn't thinking that far ahead, then again  definitely wasn't an insane athlete planning on playing in the NBA at some point. I think 2018 kids wouldn't think about it as much, especially if they only plan on being here for a year or two, but 2019 and 2020 kids certainly would hesitate

 

Without a doubt they do, and if they don't other schools that are recruiting against IU will remind them that the IU coach who they are thinking of playing for may not be there soon.

 

[Stuhoo 81,802]

7 minutes ago, HoosierCoop said:

I will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER wish losses on IU.  Seriously guys???  I don't care how bad the coach is.

 

^^THIS!!!!!^^

If things don't progress, say a 17 - 20 win season and an early exit or no NCAAs, the higher powers will be completely engaged.

 

[Brass Cannon 24,913]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

^^THIS!!!!!^^

If things don't progress, say a 17 - 20 win season and an early exit or no NCAAs, the higher powers will be completely engaged.

 

We missed the NIT and then did this and nothing happened. I'm not convinced of anything with administration. 

[TheWatShot 14,249]

3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

We missed the NIT and then did this and nothing happened. I'm not convinced of anything with administration. 

We're also 2 years closer to the end of Crean's contract than we were then. That matters. 

[Stuhoo 81,802]

3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

We missed the NIT and then did this and nothing happened. I'm not convinced of anything with administration. 

 

Disagree.

That was then, and even then there was talk. The circumstances are very different now. Not in every way, but in some very important ways.

 

[MikeRoberts 7,186]

Really? I thought we were projected as one of the top three in the conference

We were. According to kenpom and soon to be likely Vegas as well, this is what we should now expect for this season

[Brass Cannon 24,913]

Just now, MikeRoberts said:

We were. According to kenpom and soon to be likely Vegas as well, this is what we should now expect for this season

And just remember next year is going to be worse

[Baltimore Hoosier 986]

8 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

It's not just us, but almost every article I've read from people who get paid to follow sports are totally bewildered by last night's lineups and substitution patterns.

A good friend of mine sent me his analysis of our team and I think he's spot on:

Crean recruits talent alone without any regard to how the pieces fit.  I don't think those guys know their roles.  Most "teams" have 1 or 2 go to guys for scoring - a primary scorer and a couple of secondary options.  They have a couple of guys who can play lock down defense - a couple of players who can rebound and bang on the boards.  But they understand their roles - Crean's teams (and this one especially) don't seem to have an identity - players don't know who their main scoring option is.  It is a mess.  76 was Scott May with help from Benson and Abernathy, defense provided by Wilkerson and Buckner.  Isiah was 81 with Wittman and Kitchel as secondary scorers. Turner and Tolbert I think on the boards.  Alford in 87 with help from Daryl Thomas on scoring - everyone played defense except Alford according to Knight.  Butler's teams have looked similar to Knight's - they know who is supposed to score, who is supposed to rebound, who is out there for playmaking and defense and they stay in those roles for the most part.  My two cents - crean didn't play the game and he is so concerned with signing 5 star players he misses the team concept.

No offense to your friend, but if all Crean went after was 5-star recruits, there would be a roster filled with walk-ons right now. I think that analysis about the old Indiana teams of days past was accurate for those days, but the ability of players of all shapes and sizes has evolved. Every player needs to be able to score, rebound, defend, etc. If your "scorers" are having an off night, you need someone who can fill the void and step up.

I don't particularly like Crean, but he has been a solid recruiter if nothing else. Now, what he does with the talent while it's here (with a few exceptions) is anyone's guess. 

[Brass Cannon 24,913]

17 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

We're also 2 years closer to the end of Crean's contract than we were then. That matters. 

I understand that but 2 years ago we were also having lots of problems with athletes getting into trouble. All that combined should have been enough. 

Im just terrified we eek out a tournament bid and we reach the sweet sixteen and that convinces them to extend. 

I would rather miss the NIT than risk that. 

[Bowhunter 2,709]

Crean is a solid recruiter by talent not by highly rated stars. That is comparing to other elite schools. He is struggling to get home talent and that should be a concern. Lower ranked Guys like Oladipo and OG have saved us and Crean. I give him credit for finding them,  we desperately needed. Yogi and Cody wanting to stay close to home saved us as well. Who is the next big Indiana Mr basketball that will pick us in the near future?   Crickets. ..

[Alford Bailey 12,415]

I just gotta think the stars are starting to align and this may FINALLY be Creans last year. I really hoping its a mutual agreement on both sides and he agrees to move on.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,854]

1 hour ago, HoosierCoop said:

I will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER wish losses on IU.  Seriously guys???  I don't care how bad the coach is.

I don't hope we lose, but I'd be lying if I said that during games like last night I don't think about whether a complete collapse that gets Crean fired would be worth it. 

[MikeRoberts 7,186]

I wish I had more faith in the administration to both, get rid of Crean and find the right replacement. My worry is that we get one or neither

[Sota Hoosier 450]

crimsonquarry is trying to back down everyone on Twitter that voices their opinion on canning Crean....and I'm not buying. They just posted a clip from the Butler NC game vs. Duke and how they went ISO to try and compare to the plays Crean calls.

There were in the National. Championship. Game. Two. Years. In. A. Row. And almost beat that Duke team. How is that an argument against Stevens??????

I usually like their takes/articles but they're being ridiculous with some of this stuff.

This three-game stretch has been pretty shocking but at the same time familiar. I've become numb to these swings and I'm losing interest. It's hard to care that much when you know what is going to happen.

[ctown2grhoosier 380]

I'm fine with that. I'd gladly burn this season to see CTC coaching where he belongs - at the D3 level...

My nephew plays D3 here in Grand Rapids and I promise u his coach is better than Crean. I wouldn't trust Crean to coach my sons little league team. Player development he's top-notch, but coaching he's awful!

[Hoosierfan2017 21,854]

7 minutes ago, TheGies said:

crimsonquarry is trying to back down everyone on Twitter that voices their opinion on canning Crean....and I'm not buying. They just posted a clip from the Butler NC game vs. Duke and how they went ISO to try and compare to the plays Crean calls.

There were in the National. Championship. Game. Two. Years. In. A. Row. And almost beat that Duke team. How is that an argument against Stevens??????

I usually like their takes/articles but they're being ridiculous with some of this stuff.

This three-game stretch has been pretty shocking but at the same time familiar. I've become numb to these swings and I'm losing interest. It's hard to care that much when you know what is going to happen.

"For a roster that lacks a natural alpha, Indiana could use more offensive structure to create looks — but expecting that from Crean would be similar to expecting a military academy to throw the ball 75 times a game next season. It’s not happening." 

What in the world are we paying him $3 million a year for then? Their article last night seemed like they're looking for every possible thing to blame except for Crean. I strongly disagree with their assertion that we don't have a top 10 or top 15 roster this year. We have the players. They just need to be used properly. 

[LIHoosier 26,551]

Would love to see Glass call another unscheduled presser - maybe Crean could go to tOSU, too.

RIP Tom Crean
Jim would probably strangle him to death if he got a job there.

[KingPG21 6,587]

15 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

"For a roster that lacks a natural alpha, Indiana could use more offensive structure to create looks — but expecting that from Crean would be similar to expecting a military academy to throw the ball 75 times a game next season. It’s not happening." 

What in the world are we paying him $3 million a year for then? Their article last night seemed like they're looking for every possible thing to blame except for Crean. I strongly disagree with their assertion that we don't have a top 10 or top 15 roster this year. We have the players. They just need to be used properly. 

You talking about this one? http://www.crimsonquarry.com/2017/1/3/14160242/wisconsin-75-indiana-68-three-things-from-the-hoosiers-third-straight-loss

 

If so, yeah I thought a lot of it was just backtracking on what people were saying preseason, or even after the Kansas game. The comment that we never had a top 15 roster really got to me, cause it simply isn't true. College ball is watered down. That comment just seemed like someone who said preseason how good we'd be and now acting like the roster isn't good. Just reminds me of all the people that talked up Newkirk all offseason, and now we see that well he isn't good, was nowhere close to being ready to fill in for Yogi.