TOM CREAN FIRED

[HoosierSadaseci 2,258]

2 minutes ago, HooHooHoo22 said:

It doesn't matter if we make it to the sweet 16 again or whatever. He needs to go. BUT the thing is, we can't just hire some up and comer. We need a for sure thing


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I don't think it will be a problem finding a solid replacement for Crean, we're IU!

[HooHooHoo22 3,902]

I thought he turned the corner last year. He was calling timeouts, he had decent sets coming out of half time,etc. He even had some decent subs. 

 

But.. we have been the same team for the past five years. Same results pretty much as well. Sweet 16 Crean needs to go IF we want a chance at winning a championship. Not many great coaches are available right now sadly..

Yes I remember the story of him maturing as a coach and this and that I really thought he made some changes to his coaching ways. That's what I get for getting my hopes up


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[HooHooHoo22 3,902]

I don't think it will be a problem finding a solid replacement for Crean, we're IU!

I hope you're right my friend.


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[Hoosierfan2017 21,502]

4 minutes ago, HooHooHoo22 said:

It doesn't matter if we make it to the sweet 16 again or whatever. He needs to go. BUT the thing is, we can't just hire some up and comer. We need a for sure thing


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Honestly I'm at the point where I'd be okay with taking a chance on an up and comer. With Crean its basically guaranteed that we'll have several terrible losses each season, lose our first game in the Big 10 tourney, and make it to the sweet 16 at best. 

[Trish 11,611]

I'm all for Brad Stevens. He would do incredible things here in Bloomington, no doubt about it. However, he is locked up in Boston.

Who all do you have on your wish list? I'm sort of interested in Dane Fife.. I don't know. We need a young pup. 

[HooHooHoo22 3,902]

What you guys dont get ia we all want him gone but glass does not. He will never fire him.

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Eventually he'll have to. Especially if the booster let him hear it enough


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[Hovadipo 56,306]

DONT CALL IT A COMEBACK


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[Brass Cannon 24,836]

I'm interested in Not Crean. I'll try anybody else for 3 years over 3 more years of this garbage. 

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

Players playing within their defined roles would be a good start. That's never been a strength of Crean's either.

[JSHoosier 20,280]

10 minutes ago, Josh said:

Has there ever been a game where you said to yourself "thank goodness for Tom Crean's coaching"?  No?  FIRE HIM NOW.

Is Mike Davis on the schedule?  No?  Then the odds are slim.

[Brass Cannon 24,836]

Just now, JSHoosier said:

Is Mike Davis on the schedule?  No?  Then the odds are slim.

Mike Davis had more success here

[Old Friend 8,389]

Listen, as long as turnovers, bad shots, and a complete lack of fundamentals (see : blocking out, angles, footwork, post entry) are tolerated - and they are; this is what we'll get.  This is why Crean has a ceiling.  This is why he has made it past the Sweet 16 just once in 19 seasons.  This is why Wisconsin and Michigan State consistently go to Final Fours, and why Indiana flames out.   When we make shots, we can beat anyone.  When we play with energy and heart, we can beat anyone.  Problem is, even when we do that, turnovers are still tolerated and in fact accepted.   Quick, bad shots (which we take at an embarrassingly high rate) are tolerated and might even be encouraged.   Winning games is great.  I loved winning the Big Ten last season.  

But this kind of loss?  This kind of team?  This is why Indiana will never be what it can be under Crean.  He does not generally recruit polished basketball players.  He recruits kids who know the sport but not the game.  Sometimes....many times?  It's enough.  We space the floor well most of the time, and we can hit shots.  But when that doesn't work....when that gets taken away as it did tonight and against Butler, we have way too many turnovers for touchdowns, and we take way too many bad shots.  Our post players' footwork is atrocious by the way.

[JSHoosier 20,280]

2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Mike Davis had more success here

One season.  Overall Crean's had more success, which is a very very low standard.

[LIHoosier 26,259]

3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Mike Davis had more success here

Just imagine if Davis got to stack the non-con with SWAC and MEAC schools every year

[Brass Cannon 24,836]

Just now, JSHoosier said:

One season.  Overall Crean's had more success, which is a very very low standard.

I'm pretty sure mike Davis has more postseason victories total. Might be wrong. 

[HooHooHoo22 3,902]

The crazy thing is guys, we can't do simple things this year. I don't think I've see. 1 good pick set this year. You cannot get any space on offense when you barely set a pick.


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[mdn82 25,510]

Mike Davis had more success here

I want Crean gone, but Mike Davis singlehandedly killed this program as much as Sampson. I honestly don't know who I would want to replace Crean though. Doubt it will happen anytime soon.


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[Josh 12,649]

2 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Listen, as long as turnovers, bad shots, and a complete lack of fundamentals (see : blocking out, angles, footwork, post entry) are tolerated - and they are; this is what we'll get.  This is why Crean has a ceiling.  This is why he has made it past the Sweet 16 just once in 19 seasons.  This is why Wisconsin and Michigan State consistently go to Final Fours, and why Indiana flames out.   When we make shots, we can beat anyone.  When we play with energy and heart, we can beat anyone.  Problem is, even when we do that, turnovers are still tolerated and in fact accepted.   Quick, bad shots (which we take at an embarrassingly high rate) are tolerated and might even be encouraged.   Winning games is great.  I loved winning the Big Ten last season.  

But this kind of loss?  This kind of team?  This is why Indiana will never be what it can be under Crean.  He does not generally recruit polished basketball players.  He recruits kids who know the sport but not the game.  Sometimes....many times?  It's enough.  We space the floor well most of the time, and we can hit shots.  But when that doesn't work....when that gets taken away as it did tonight and against Butler, we have way too many turnovers for touchdowns, and we take way too many bad shots.  Our post players' footwork is atrocious by the way.

We agree on the problem, we just disagree on the process.  The players are great.  I don't blame them at all.  Our coaching, game planning, adjustments.....that's the terrible part.  We have the players to make a Final 4 run.  We just can't guide them there.

[reconmkd 4,405]

Been ready for a new coach for awhile, at this point I really don't care who as long as turnovers are unacceptable and he teaches fundamental defense! How can anyone with common basketball sense give a coach so much money  that flat out says turnovers are going to happen? Oh wait we are talking about Fred Glass who isn't against canning any of the other coaches under him, but when it comes to crean well you won a title let's throw a sh*t ton of money at you. Does crean have something on him or is he that good at brown nosing the boss?

[8bucks 6,461]

Sadly before the year I put the pitchforks away. Thinking Crean had turned the corner. Seems every time I am convinced he has to go we beat some folks and as soon as I think we are in a good spot, Ft Wane and Nebraska things happen