TOM CREAN FIRED

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

WOW did not even realize this

@ESPNCBB: #hoopsfacts https://t.co/EHpXtcOzXr

It's like ESPN is trolling IU

[brandct 610]

It's like ESPN is trolling IU

ESPN, Purdue Fans, Kentucky Fans, and countless others are all trolling IU.

[JaybobHoosier 11,839]

WOW did not even realize this

@ESPNCBB: #hoopsfacts https://t.co/EHpXtcOzXr

Not surprised!

[Dalton26 16,892]

Crean himself is trolling IU.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

Come on guys. It's Thanksgiving! Can't we embrace and accept Crean the same way the Indigenous people accepted the pilgrims?

I'm sure it will work out just as well for us as it did for them.

[coonhounds 8,794]

Everyone should be trolling iu. This board itself loves when something unfortunate happens to our competition me included and it don't get any more imberrassin then almost dead last on that tournament. We stink and I hope the players and crean embrace the fact that were losers and try to prove we aren't

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,986]

Dan Dakich probably aids in the research. We are what we are. Crean has been pulling wool over the eyes of many for a long time including many of our site members. But when "Facts" and data are given its scary. Sadly it's even scarier because the subjective viewing of Creans program is even worse than the objective data.

[Feathery 4,005]

Stevens or bust

While I get what you are saying and I want Stevens as much as anyone else, it wouldn't be a bust if he says no.

We can still upgrade from Crean and it's not a bust. Guys like Archie Miller, Tony Bennett, and Fred Hoiberg may or may not come but all clear upgrades and none a bust.

[brandct 610]

At least with Tony Bennett we know the D would be put back in Iniana lol

[JSHoosier 19,852]

Where does this "he's a good coach" stuff keep coming from, even though he's shown time and again he's not?  Who are you really trying to convince, his detractors or yourselves?  Do people like him so much as an individual that they refuse to acknowledge the elephant in the room, or do they think if they say it enough times he'll magically become a good coach?  What has he shown to be called a good coach, a team collection of talent great in transition and little else?

[mdn82 25,510]

While I get what you are saying and I want Stevens as much as anyone else, it wouldn't be a bust if he says no.

We can still upgrade from Crean and it's not a bust. Guys like Archie Miller, Tony Bennett, and Fred Hoiberg may or may not come but all clear upgrades and none a bust.

Is an upgrade truly what would unite this fan base and put us back to where people believe is our rightful spot? I personally think this is the only option for IU to put us back up with Kansas, Duke, UK, and UNC. Let's not just make a change for the sake of making a change. Let's give Stevens Calipari or Coach K money which is far more than what he is making to make this move. A change is needed but we need a splash.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

Is an upgrade truly what would unite this fan base and put us back to where people believe is our rightful spot? I personally think this is the only option for IU to put us back up with Kansas, Duke, UK, and UNC. Let's not just make a change for the sake of making a change. Let's give Stevens Calipari or Coach K money which is far more than what he is making to make this move. A change is needed but we need a splash.

I agree. I know it's far fetched, but that's what I told Michigan fans about my man leaving us.

[Old Friend 8,389]

Here's another way to look at it..

 

What perennial top 25 program(s) would be lining up to sign Crean if he were fired?  If IU were to let him go what would be a reasonable destination for him?  

 

I'm guessing a lower tier power 5 conference team or a decent mid-major is where he would land.  I also believe that's the best fit for him and his family.

I guess I wasn't sure of the intent of your message re: freshmen.  Maybe I mis-read it, but I agree with the above.   There is not a single major school who would be interested in Tom Crean, regardless of the kids he's been able to recruit.   Bob Knight once said of Dale Brown "nobody has done less with more."   Sort of applicable in Crean's case, too.

[JaybobHoosier 11,839]

Is an upgrade truly what would unite this fan base and put us back to where people believe is our rightful spot? I personally think this is the only option for IU to put us back up with Kansas, Duke, UK, and UNC. Let's not just make a change for the sake of making a change. Let's give Stevens Calipari or Coach K money which is far more than what he is making to make this move. A change is needed but we need a splash.

Completely agree. I think we need a splash, but I don't know who that would be. I think the only potential options would be Jay Wright and Tony Bennett. I don't think they would ever leave their programs, but the only splash hires that are potential opportunities. I think IU will go an up and comer route just because of the splash hires being limited. We will see though!

[Old Friend 8,389]

While I get what you are saying and I want Stevens as much as anyone else, it wouldn't be a bust if he says no.

We can still upgrade from Crean and it's not a bust. Guys like Archie Miller, Tony Bennett, and Fred Hoiberg may or may not come but all clear upgrades and none a bust.

Hoiberg's not coming.   He's at his dream job, so I think we can erase him.

 

Archie Miller's winning % at Dayton is 66% with < 60% in his conference, and has finished 5th, 11th, 5th, and T2nd..  How is he an upgrade?  He's a name.  There are 1000 names.  He's just somebody new.   Hasn't done a thing to show he could succeed at Indiana.

 

Bennett's a better option as far as I'm concerned.  Has had success in a major conference, and built that program to a couple of 30 win seasons.  I don't love his offense, and I think people would get bored; but of the folks on this list, he's the one that makes the most sense.

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

I am not saying I am convinced, but, I would take a hard look at Ben Jacobsen.

[8bucks 6,353]

Stephens is the logical first call but to assume he is the only option is crazy. Best, sure but not only.

There is a very big gap between Crean and Stephens and I am sure there are some options in between.

[JSHoosier 19,852]

Stevens is the logical first call but to assume he is the only option is crazy. Best, sure but not only.

There is a very big gap between Crean and Stevens and I am sure there are some options in between.

Fixed.

 

That's the understatement of all understatements.  The gap between those two makes the Grand Canyon look like a small step.

[HoosierSadaseci 2,258]

Please oh please, Tom Crean just leave.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,093]

Nice piece by Kent Sterling at:  http://kentsterling.com/2015/11/26/indiana-basketball-time-for-decision-on-crean-is-months-away-and-it-should-be/

 

A mid-season termination is completely out of the question but I loved this paragraph:  "My advice is to relax and enjoy the ride.  if you are outraged by what you perceive to be a lack of coaching acumen from Crean, take pride in the effort of the players.  If the players appear to check out, listen to the band and watch the cheerleaders.  if the band and cheerleaders mail it in, dream of a strom and bucket (or six) at Nick’s."

 

Hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving.