Changes needed to the basketball team other than

[Uspshoosier]

Crean makes way too much money to have an offense completely reliant on transition.  There's a reason Butler beats us every time we play them.

Agree. Except for the game where we actually beat them

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[recker222000]

I called this Newkirk thing last year. Knew Crean would stick with him no matter what. Seen it before. He needs to go to the bench. JBJ as well needs more time on the pine. Other than that Im having a hard time blaming the guys right now.

All i heard all summer was how great newkirk looked. Must of been playing intramurals.

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[Old Friend]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

Agree. Except for the game where we actually beat them

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The one game.  What have we lost, 5?  Like I've said consistently....when we make those quick, bad shots, we're all but unbeatable; and Butler has not had really good teams a couple of years. Indiana should not consistently lose to Butler or Wisconsin, but...we do.  For the same reasons.  They take away transition, rebound, and make us guard.  That's the formula...and has been against Crean's teams.

[Uspshoosier]

The one game.  What have we lost, 5?  Like I've said consistently....when we make those quick, bad shots, we're all but unbeatable; and Butler has not had really good teams a couple of years. Indiana should not consistently lose to Butler or Wisconsin, but...we do.  For the same reasons.  They take away transition, rebound, and make us guard.  That's the formula...and has been against Crean's teams.

Agree. U just said we lose every time we play butler just pointing out that is false. The year we beat butler they had a good team. Of course iu shouldn't be losing consistently to butler or wisky( the coaches before crean shouldn't of lost consistently to wisky but they did). There are a lot of things this program should of consistently done since 94 but they haven't. You, me, and any person with basketball knowledge can watch iu and see how to beat them. Most coaches are stubborn in their ways and will not take advantage of how to beat crean. March 11 and march 19 of 2015 was the last time we lost consecutive games or had a losing streak. Hard to believe a coach so limited could go over an entire year without a losing streak but he did.


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[TheWatShot]

27 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

The one game.  What have we lost, 5?  Like I've said consistently....when we make those quick, bad shots, we're all but unbeatable; and Butler has not had really good teams a couple of years. Indiana should not consistently lose to Butler or Wisconsin, but...we do.  For the same reasons.  They take away transition, rebound, and make us guard.  That's the formula...and has been against Crean's teams.

We're 2-2 against Butler under Crean. 

[Uspshoosier]

We're 2-2 against Butler under Crean. 

I forgot about cody's freshman year


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[Uwe Robb]

Have seen some good offensive sets with DD and TB in game together. Would like a little more of that.


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[yogisballin]

First, we need some sets. We started off the game with a set yesterday. The idea was Bryant to get a wide open drive to the basketball from the three point line, it didn't work.

We need more sets for Blackmon and Rojo to get wide open threes. We need more sets to get Bryant the ball in the post, not at the three point line. Davis has played much better lately, could we get some high low action with Thomas and Davis perhaps? Crazy idea I know.

Our motion offense is hard to watch, it really is. It looks like we've made some changes to it though so I guess that's a start. I know a couple times we had a some elevator action so that's cool.

How about Ville though? They scouted us great. They had flare screens which we can't guard to save our life. They had pick and rolls which is another weakness of our. They also ran a little horns action up top which really hurt us.

Anyways, our offense could use some more sets. I'd like to see a new line up as well, bare with me. We don't have a true PG.

Blackmon
Rojo
OG
Morgan
Tommy

I think this could allow the offense to get James involved more, would also improve our defense and rebounding with Morgan in the starting line up. One thing a lot of people mentioned before the season started is that we're very deep. No, no we're not. Honestly the only players that I'd bring off the bench would be Cujo, Green, and Davis. Josh, Freddie, McRoberts, Gelon wouldn't touch the floor if I were the coach.

Losing Collin really hurt us this year.


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I don't call it a motion offense. It's more like a circle jerk or something? We don't know how to pass the basketball, we hand it off and want spacing all at the same time. I'll stop now


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[yogisballin]

The one game.  What have we lost, 5?  Like I've said consistently....when we make those quick, bad shots, we're all but unbeatable; and Butler has not had really good teams a couple of years. Indiana should not consistently lose to Butler or Wisconsin, but...we do.  For the same reasons.  They take away transition, rebound, and make us guard.  That's the formula...and has been against Crean's teams.

They also are really good at, if a player is driving to the baseline. Everyone else stays home with their man and let us run out of bounds! Easiest way to guard us, not very hard to figure out


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[Trish]

In other news, Crean says it's going to be really hard for Collin to come back this season.

I would assume ACL tear.


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[ElectricBoogaloo]

On 1/1/2017 at 1:41 PM, Old Friend said:

1)   A leader. Someone who understands what to do, how and when to do it, and someone who understands what Indiana Basketball is about.

2)  An offensive system.  Period.   If transition 3's aren't falling, we have nothing.    Never have under Crean.

3)  An attitude.  We are generally a soft team, mentally and physically

4)  Someone.  ANYone to tell these kids turnovers are not okay.   Neither are quick, bad shots.

5)  A point guard who can actually handle the ball and run an offense

6)  A basketball mind (an x and o and game plan guy) on the bench

7)  Help defense that has any chance to help

Our 2017 recruiting class is very weak, we still don't have a point guard, we have nobody signed for 2018.   Anyone else seeing some red flags, here?

The Crean teams have always played soft but OH MY GOD did they play soft against Louisville. OG is the perfect example. Just played soft and got bullied by guys his size or smaller all game. Finally had the drive and jam near the end of the game. Where was that the first 35 minutes?

JBJ is a soft marshmallow. 

 

Edit: recruiting miss on Donovan Mitchell didn't help either.

[Alford Bailey]

On 1/2/2017 at 11:11 AM, yogisballin said:

I don't call it a motion offense. It's more like a circle jerk or something? We don't know how to pass the basketball, we hand it off and want spacing all at the same time. I'll stop now


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HaHa!

[incrediboy]

Remember 2016? The year Blackmon's backside rode the pine and we got much better without his lack of defense? I'd like to see more of that.

Newkirk is a waste for the most part. He's not a PG. He's not a great shooter. I'd play Jones 10 minutes for every one of Newkirk's.

Take Blackmon and Newkirk to minimum minutes and our turnovers will go down dramatically.

His last game against Illinois aside, Juwan is our best bet at PG. I think we should play through him and Bryant for the most part. I'd start the two of them along with Davis, OG and RoJo. That makes us a tall-trees kind of team as opposed to the perimeter team we've been for as long as I can remember. But I think that's our best bet going forward.

[BGleas]

2 hours ago, incrediboy said:

Remember 2016? The year Blackmon's backside rode the pine and we got much better without his lack of defense? I'd like to see more of that.

Newkirk is a waste for the most part. He's not a PG. He's not a great shooter. I'd play Jones 10 minutes for every one of Newkirk's.

Take Blackmon and Newkirk to minimum minutes and our turnovers will go down dramatically.

His last game against Illinois aside, Juwan is our best bet at PG. I think we should play through him and Bryant for the most part. I'd start the two of them along with Davis, OG and RoJo. That makes us a tall-trees kind of team as opposed to the perimeter team we've been for as long as I can remember. But I think that's our best bet going forward.

I was focusing on JBJ defensively against Illinois and it was pretty bad. There were literally times where his man ran from one side to another, unbeknownst to him, and he'd just randomly start guarding someone else's man, completely throwing the defense off and hanging his teammates out to dry.

[johnsoniu]

4 minutes ago, BGleas said:

I was focusing on JBJ defensively against Illinois and it was pretty bad. There were literally times where his man ran from one side to another, unbeknownst to him, and he'd just randomly start guarding someone else's man, completely throwing the defense off and hanging his teammates out to dry.

He expends a measurable amount of effort into looking like he's trying to play defense. If he would channel half that energy into actually performing his assignment, it would be passable defense.

[recker222000]

I don't call it a motion offense. It's more like a circle jerk or something? We don't know how to pass the basketball, we hand it off and want spacing all at the same time. I'll stop now


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Lol sounds about right or the weave and heave.

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[JSHoosier]

35 minutes ago, recker222000 said:

Lol sounds about right or the weave and heave.

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Weaver and heave, I like that description.  Fitting on multiple fronts too; ours players heave up a bunch of stupid shots (including the starting center) and this street ball offense makes me want to heave.

[incrediboy]

3 hours ago, BGleas said:

I was focusing on JBJ defensively against Illinois and it was pretty bad. There were literally times where his man ran from one side to another, unbeknownst to him, and he'd just randomly start guarding someone else's man, completely throwing the defense off and hanging his teammates out to dry.

And he was assigned Coleman-Lands a good bit of the time, or at least that's who it appeared he was chasing mostly. Seems like a bad matchup decision, although it would be hard to make a good one in his case.

[SlamaJamaSisley]

I'll have to disagree with most in that McRoberts, like it or not, has earned the minutes he gets IMO.  No offense (yet) but will take the hustle plays and defense.  

[HoosierAloha]

I'll have to disagree with most in that McRoberts, like it or not, has earned the minutes he gets IMO.  No offense (yet) but will take the hustle plays and defense.  

This is where I'm at. He defends better than most on the team, not because he's better athletically but he puts effort into it. On offense the ball never sticks in his hands and allows for open shots.