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It sucks because I really want to like Archie. I didn’t like Crean because he was goofy and kind of weird and was also really inconsistent as a coach. But I wanted to like Archie. I wanted him to be the guy to succeed at IU. I just don’t see any realistic scenario where that happens. We aren’t good this year, and next year will be even worse unless TJD miraculously returns. No real point in waiting another year for the inevitable.

You have Sampson on your list but call Fife a scumbag? Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners mobile app

Nate oats. Killed it at Buffalo and is probably going to win the SEC this year at Alabama. Can recruit too Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

I’ve been an Archie supporter but it’s time for this thread. And I don’t have any coaching recommendations, just someone that will win Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Nude cheerleaders.

Let Tom Allen coach both teams. Amazing how much his players love him and how checked out Archie's guys are...in January.

Only IU guy I’d call is Dane Fife.

There’s a reason I don’t watch IU basketball anymore...... not a fair weather fan, just can’t stand the product that been given to us in year 4. This was the season I would judge Archie Miller and it’s a major fail. Unfortunately we are probably stuck with this for another couple of years. Just don’t enjoy wasting 2+ hours of my life watching uninspired game play and terrible game plans. On to the next..... coach! Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

If Dakich is right, and that’s a big if. I’m new to the Forum, and a young IU fan. I don’t hold a grudge against anyone, but Dakich is one of my least favorite people. I think he makes brash statements just for attention. Especially when I listen to his radio show. Again I don’t hate the guy but I just take everything he says with a grain of salt. And he could be right. I’m not sure.

The problem I have with firing Archie (I'm an Archie guy obviously) is that there is no clear right answer out there that is realistic. Yes, people can reply with anyone is better than Archie, but we can't settle and or make a lateral move. Do we really want to return to the Indiana we expect (Final Four's) or do we just want to settle with winning and sometimes being ranked in the Top 25? Indiana needs a hire that is going to lead us to another banner. Anything else is just waisting our time. Of course I'd like to see us win game and be in the top of the B1G, but only if it's a coach that can get us to a title game and not just the elite eight. Brad Stevens is my only answer sadly.

This thread is going to be 100% relevant and I feel like fans are lying to themselves if they think different. We all see the slow death coming. Beard is #1 for me but honestly I just want something different at this point. Can it really get any worse?

They couldn’t get juiced enough to beat Purdue at home last year on the day Bob Knight made his return to the Hall. I don’t think there’s any bulletin board material out there that would get them fired up to play. For several years we’ve blamed it on a few players, if player X and Player Y just leave our problems will be fixed. Yet those guys are gone and our issues still exist. We just stink.

Fair enough. Most do. Just don't expect Championships. Expect Sweet 16 rings and participation trophies. Those who win Championships and Titles consistently aren't squeaky clean. That's a fact. At this point in my fandom I care more about wins than how their attained.

I keep hearing this and keep reiterating I don’t know what this really means. We spend (spent) more on recruiting than any program in the conference. We just invested tens of millions into renovating our arena. What is the university doing to prohibit our basketball team from being good? So we’re not writing checks for $9m/year? So what? The four coaches even worth that much aren’t leaving their current positions. It’s not a money issue. Should we be letting what happened at Louisville occur here? Should we have fake classes set up? Going to class isn’t a problem for our players, and it isn’t preventing our team from making free throws. Do we need to operate in the “gray area” more? Other successful programs are fine without going full bagman. Or do we just keep bad coaches an extra year or two too long? We haven’t landed the right coach. That’s it. Recruit well enough, develop your players, get some shooters and preach the fundamentals. For as difficult of a time this program has had the last 20 years, it’s not that complicated. You only need a handful of kids to make a program work. This isn’t football. I don’t care if the university administration isn’t as focused on basketball as Alabama’s is on football. They’re not actively working to sabotage the program. So RMK was the most powerful man on campus during his heyday? All that did was prevent him from getting fired earlier for abusing his players. “Yea but I heard they took some of our program’s money to build a new window in the Kelley school!” So what?! So our team had to eat chicken fingers for lunch a few days because of it instead of cordon bleu...all of a sudden to be successful we need five star meals and a private day spa in Cook Hall? This is still basketball, we still have more than enough to offer recruits, and still prioritize basketball more than the overwhelming majority of schools in the country. Get the right coach in the door and this goes away very quickly.

I know my opinion doesn't mean a thing, but to me, it's going to have to be someone that still runs a clean(-er) program. I know that there is grey area, but I don't want to be associated with the ramifications of dirty play. I know some are totally fine with the pay for play, but personally, I prefer to keep it compliant.

My God.....you need a hobby.

I’ve never had less fun watching IU basketball.

Thankfully its just 12 minutes. If this game was on BTN, the game would be pre-empted for a vigil dedicated to Urban Meyer leaving the network.

Nate Oats!

Archie isn’t getting canned at the end of the season. There’s about 0% chance of that. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

I haven’t beaten the drum on public forums. I believe there’s little benefit. However, when we continue to play uninspired ball against an in conference rival.. Archie has never defeated purdoodoo.. getting out recruited by them.. going to have to make a serious run to crack the top half of the Big Ten.. The biggest problem still isn’t the coach though. The biggest problem is the admin. What percentage of Btown Banners believes they’ll get fed up with this and actually make a home run hire? Yeah, there’s your problem Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

I always find it interesting to throw out hopes and prayers in times likes these. I have been an Archie supporter, I have wanted him to be good and succeed here, it’s getting difficult, but my stance has mainly alwasy been you can’t fire him without a slam dunk lined up, so stay put and keep the faith. That being said, my list is pretty short on who I think is actual realistic and why. 1. Chris Beard - I think he’s the homerun hire. He is younger, runs an exciting system, he has shown some big time success, and the cherry on the top, he has ties to Bob knight. I do not think the last part is a requirement, but there’s a huge chunk of the fan base they still get excited in the pants when the name Bob Knight comes up or a coach that had ties to Bob Knight 2. John Belein - I believe the job was his originally but we went with Sampson. Which I think sampson would have us rolling right now but I digress. Belein is older but still has a good few years left. If we can get him for 4-5 years I think it’s a great get. He has proven he can do it in the big ten. He left basketball on a sour note, and I think he can bridge the gap and make IU a desirable place to coach again after he leaves, assuming he brings us success Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Back to the game. Lander 2 minutes 0 points Leal 4 minutes 0 points Rob 23 minutes 4 points Trey 27 minutes 3 points Al 28 minutes 4 points Other than Franklin our guard play continues to be terrible. A common theme under Archie.

Holy cow If Treesh is jumping of the wagon I’m springboarding off!! Dumpers here I come!! In all seriousness if anyone mentions Chris Collins i personally move for an instant ban from the board. I’ll stick to who I think is realistic. Beard. If he says no, as questionable as it might be, Dane Fife.

Honestly, it’s just me recognizing that I’m just an ordinary fan at the end of the day who can’t really do anything about it. I’m not a former player or a big donor so I don’t have any juice to squeeze. Getting mad about the games just puts me in a bad mood and doesn’t do anything to fix things, so what’s the point. I was big on the tank train during Crean’s last year because I thought we could land a home run hire to bring IU back. I thought Archie was going to be that guy. But it hasn’t worked out, and we’re 4 more years away from our past. Maybe we get things turned around. I hope that we do because I love IU and I loved my time at IU. Wouldn’t trade it for anything. But if we don’t, it is what it is.

That's the big thing: you can't be run of the mill and boring. Armaan IMO has been the single good story this year. TJD is good. Rob and Al.....shrink. Galloway is a nice role player on a team that has shortcomings so much that it's hard to field a role player.

Coaches I’d be looking at if we were to replace Miller would be: Stevens Few Donavan Beilen Beard Collins Bennett

Can we offer mark few 30 million a year and to bring his team with him Sent from my SM-A515U1 using Tapatalk

It actually feels pretty good not fighting it anymore

Both feet are firmly in the fire Archie camp. I was straddling the fence until the last game and a half Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

No fans in AH has outed how terrible we are. Every game is essentially on a neutral court - and we suck.

Forgive us, Tom Crean. We didn't know.

There is absolutely, never, EVER, an excuse to lose to f***ing Purdue 8 times in a row. Absolutely inexcusable. These aren't great, or even that good of Purdue teams either.

Josh's dead dog leading so far for me Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

If we hit our free throws we are in the lead right now. Dang

4*

I would love for Race to set a hard screen on the dude ball hawking Rob up the court. Sent from my SM-G986U using BtownBanners mobile app

Comparatively clean, maybe. I'd be shocked if anyone is completely clean.

All I know is, we fired a guy with mutiple Sweet 16 appearances and BigTen Championships because he couldn’t do better and avoid “off” years. Crean inherited the biggest dumpster fire in the history of college basketball and brought it back from the dead. We fired that guy to get this...all “off years”.

Those coaches sans Collins would be home run hires. The problem is fans and administration have different expectations. If you're a top coach what's the allure to leave your current gig and coach at IU? Serious question

I am sure I will feel better about this in the morning. I better quit blowing nonsense on here. Its only 10 losses in a row or so to purdue could be worse. Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

Unacceptable

This is where I’m at Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

This “hand off” freaking offense allows a forced shot and that’s it! That’s what we got and you will not win with that type of plan. There is no spacing at all. We don’t pick, back cut, etc. I can’t imagine life without TJD.

It’s awful basketball. No fast break ever. No back cuts ever. No jumping passing lanes ever. No shooters. No swagger (sans TJD). You all think this year is rough, wait until next season. Oh, and I’ve been on this train a while now. The B1G has been surging ahead of Archie for awhile and the gap is widening. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners mobile app

Yep exactly what I mean. We had some sh*t seasons with Crean, but outside of the Vonleh year (which was eerily similar to how Archie ball is playing out) those teams had some excitement to them. Troy running the floor, Blackmon hitting bombs, Bryant, Yogi, an exciting brand of basketball more often than not. This team is just brutal to watch. It’s like watching Jr. High basketball. We suck and we’re boring.

Meanwhile he’s dead last in the SEC. THE SEC.

Decided against watching tonight. Don't know the last time I've missed an IU/Purdue game, but I know all it would do was piss me off. We aren't fun to watch. At least teams like Wisconsin that aren't fun to watch win consistently.

I get your point but this is year 4, not 2 for Archie. People unanimously feel that Crean sucked and he went from Kyle Tabor to the sweet 16 in 4 years. Maybe we will still do that, this year, but it looks unlikely.

I'd settle for Lander to simply hit rim...would be a drastic improvement