(2017) PF Billy Preston to Kansas

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

For us to be back in contention I still think we need to get at least 1 stud in 2018. 

I think we'll need a couple of stud recruits to be a true B1G contender and compete on the national level.

Junior Davis should be one of the top bigs in the B1G. Need another true big though. JMo will be as versatile a player in the B1G. I expect Smith and Moore to be solid rotation players. Another playmaker on the wing would be nice.

CuJo will be a really good guard. Green will be a solid rotation guard. Durham should also contribute. A stud PG would be nice.

A stud PG, playmaking wing, and a backup big are the biggest needs depending on how 2017 class finishes up.

[Hollywood Mike Miranda 1,041]

Exactly...

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Don't get why people got there hopes up here, but also don't get all the pessimism. Recruiting is fine, we are fine, everything is fine. Looking forward to our next B1G title this year.


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[Uspshoosier 53,291]

Don't get why people got there hopes up here, but also don't get all the pessimism. Recruiting is fine, we are fine, everything is fine. Looking forward to our next B1G title this year.


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Because everyone on here has different outlooks, opinions, and expectations. I might not agree with some of the outlooks from others on recruiting but I'll respect it


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[HoosierAloha 30,102]

Because everyone on here has different outlooks, opinions, and expectations. I might not agree with some of the outlooks from others on recruiting but I'll respect it


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It would be extremely boring on this board if everyone had the same thoughts as I do. I like to read others opinions about how they see things. We've had solid recruiting classes recently but not elite.

The '17 class appears to me to be just below the solid level lacking top end talent. OG jumped out of the '15 class to an elite level we'll need to replace. I just don't like counting on "diamonds in the rough" to continue the possible two year run. It's not a good way to run a program, imho.

[WayneFleekHoosier 50,741]

We missed Wilkes and that was about a sure of a 5 star that Indiana will ever have a chance with.

Preston was an even better, supremely remarkable talent that we got in late with. FWIW, Kansas got in late with him too. It was USC that was early. They just plain beat us out. No late excuses.

Zero legitimate excuses for Wilkes as well.

We will survive and be "fine" but we won't be as good as we could have been if we added either of these talents.

Pretty easy premise imo.


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[Uspshoosier 53,291]

It would be extremely boring on this board if everyone had the same thoughts as I do. I like to read others opinions about how they see things. We've had solid recruiting classes recently but not elite.

The '17 class appears to me to be just below the solid level lacking top end talent. OG jumped out of the '15 class to an elite level we'll need to replace. I just don't like counting on "diamonds in the rough" to continue the possible two year run. It's not a good way to run a program, imho.

i just think team recruiting rankings can be deceiving 2013 we had the 4th "best"class and in 2015 29th best class. Would it shock anyone if in the last 5 years of big 10 recruiting rankings iu's average would be the highest. Just to compare to who everyone would of thought would be the best

2012- mich st-3, iu-2

2013- mich st-10, iu-1

2014- mich st-6, iu-3

2015- mich st-3, iu-4

2016- mich st-1, iu-3

2017- so far mich st-5, iu-6

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[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Well crud----this hurts---but on to the next.. Maybe someone will reclassify-----too early to panic!

[Uspshoosier 53,291]

We missed Wilkes and that was about a sure of a 5 star that Indiana will ever have a chance with.

Preston was an even better, supremely remarkable talent that we got in late with. FWIW, Kansas got in late with him too. It was USC that was early. They just plain beat us out. No late excuses.

Zero legitimate excuses for Wilkes as well.

We will survive and be "fine" but we won't be as good as we could have been if we added either of these talents.

Pretty easy premise imo.

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I'm sorry Wayne but this article says Kansas was always there in his recruiting through all of his transfers

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/kansas-lands-five-star-billy-preston

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[HoosierAloha 30,102]

i just think team recruiting rankings can be deceiving 2013 we had the 4th "best"class and in 2015 29th best class. Would it shock anyone if in the last 5 years of big 10 recruiting rankings iu's average would be the highest. Just to compare to who everyone would of thought would be the best 2012- mich st-3, iu-2

2013- mich st-10, iu-1

2014- mich st-6, iu-3

2015- mich st-3, iu-4

2016- mich st-1, iu-3

2017- so far mich st-5, iu-6

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Were those classes rated that high because of quantity or quality? We had star talent in those classes but also numbers that pushed those classes to where they ranked. I'm not upset with any of the '17 class but I don't see any elite level talent that is likely to leave early to play at the next level. We need that talent to compete at where we (I think/hope) want to compete.

Zeller headlined 2011, then Yogi, Vonleh, JBJ, and finally Bryant. Where is that top end talent in 2017? Will we compete nationally without that kind of talent?

[WayneFleekHoosier 50,741]

You're right. Kansas was after USC though but a ways before us. First unofficial January 2015 to Kansas.


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[Uspshoosier 53,291]

Were those classes rated that high because of quantity or quality? We had star talent in those classes but also numbers that pushed those classes to where they ranked. I'm not upset with any of the '17 class but I don't see any elite level talent that is likely to leave early to play at the next level. We need that talent to compete at where we (I think/hope) want to compete.

Zeller headlined 2011, then Yogi, Vonleh, JBJ, and finally Bryant. Where is that top end talent in 2017? Will we compete nationally without that kind of talent?

I'm not sure I don't put stock into recruiting rankings like some on here do. But the fact is numbers wise shows iu has an average higher then any other big 10 team in the same 5 year period. Since iu doesn't recruit at the highest level like duke, Kansas or Arizona and u pointed out the headliners in the past classes, wouldn't the law of averages catch up at some point and we would have a class without an elite level talent?


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[Uspshoosier 53,291]

You're right. Kansas was after USC though but a ways before us. First unofficial January 2015 to Kansas.


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A local school being there early should be common for a kid like him.


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[Brass Cannon 25,245]

7 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

I'm not sure I don't put stock into recruiting rankings like some on here do. But the fact is numbers wise shows iu has an average higher then any other big 10 team in the same 5 year period. Since iu doesn't recruit at the highest level like duke, Kansas or Arizona and u pointed out the headliners in the past classes, wouldn't the law of averages catch up at some point and we would have a class without an elite level talent?


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We spend enough resources that no we never should be without at least 1 elite level talent on the roster. 

Hence why people are frustrated. 

Schools like Iowa should be counting on Diamonds in the rough to a lesser extent schools like Illinois should be trying the develop talent model. Instead Illinois kicked our ass this year. 

We lost Waters to Georgetown when he got fed a line of bull about revamping the offense. Coach might get fired  

We lost Wilkes to a coach who can't coach can't develop talent and who might be fired. Btw Wilkes is a fan of us. 

We lost Preston to Kansas less than a week after embarrassing the Kansas bigs. 

We're a top spender in recruiting yet our classes are in the 30 range the last couple of years. Where hell is the ROI. 

People keep talking about recruiting is fine because of the current state of the team. Which is not true recruiting struggles affect the future. 

Our current team is constructed primarily of recruits from 2013-2015. Our recruiting has dipped in the 2 years since which is setting us up for a dip. 

And the frustrating thing is there's no good explanation for the dip because of the quality of the team and the resources were allocating. 

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

I'm not sure I don't put stock into recruiting rankings like some on here do. But the fact is numbers wise shows iu has an average higher then any other big 10 team in the same 5 year period. Since iu doesn't recruit at the highest level like duke, Kansas or Arizona and u pointed out the headliners in the past classes, wouldn't the law of averages catch up at some point and we would have a class without an elite level talent?


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You brought up recruiting rankings but don't understand how they work? We've had high ranked classes due to both quality and quantity. Transfers are common but IU has had an insane number of them. I haven't looked at the numbers lately but IU had about 8 more recruits than any other contending B1G team between 2011-2015. The high volume of recruits lead to higher re during rankings. I don't base everything off rankings because chemistry is huge in college basketball but they're usually pretty accurate on an individual level.

What I'm saying is we can't rely on finding diamonds in the rough as a re editing strategy. I think Moore and Smith can be solid contributors to a B1G title team but not leading the team. I think Durham has high upside and could contribute later on. However, where are the elite players for next season? Who is the Zeller or Bryant in the post who will get a bucket in the paint? Who us the Yogi or JBJ that can flat out score? The Oladipo, Williams, and OG that can slash? The fact that we're hoping this player or that one can develop into that role is the frustration I feel.

[AKHoosier 7,612]

10 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

We missed Wilkes and that was about a sure of a 5 star that Indiana will ever have a chance with.

Preston was an even better, supremely remarkable talent that we got in late with. FWIW, Kansas got in late with him too. It was USC that was early. They just plain beat us out. No late excuses.

Zero legitimate excuses for Wilkes as well.

We will survive and be "fine" but we won't be as good as we could have been if we added either of these talents.

Pretty easy premise imo.


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I think it's pretty clear that Wilkes just wasn't ever going to come here.

What more could Tom Crean have done to try and land him?  His message was duly noted, but it was largely falling on deaf ears.  You can move into his family's guest bedroom and recruit a kid until you're blue in the face but ultimately, Wilkes just didn't want to come here.  I don't fault Crean for not landing Wilkes, I fault Wilkes and his questionable logic for choosing UCLA.

[mdn82 26,344]

It would be extremely boring on this board if everyone had the same thoughts as I do. I like to read others opinions about how they see things. We've had solid recruiting classes recently but not elite.

The '17 class appears to me to be just below the solid level lacking top end talent. OG jumped out of the '15 class to an elite level we'll need to replace. I just don't like counting on "diamonds in the rough" to continue the possible two year run. It's not a good way to run a program, imho.

It's truly weird but I think our two best classes will end up being ones where Crean went strictly under radar for just two recruits. Hopefully at this point I hope he doesn't make a career out of it. But 10 and 15 classes have worked for him.


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[hoosierpap 14,300]

16 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

We. Are. Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.


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Seriously, good god.

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 89,373]

1 hour ago, Napleshoosier said:

It's not Chucks fault for sure. He's getting us in front of quality guys. So who ain't closing the deals?

Good $64.00 question but are we really and truly getting in front of these kids and is there really a deal to close?  I often feel like we're throwing out offers the way you can eat an entire meal at Sam's Club by walking down the free sample aisle.  It makes great PR and we as a group get enthused when we've offered Bamba, Duval, Richards, etc., but is that all there is to many of the offers; an offer and nothing else?   Rhetorical questions and I certainly don't pretend I have the answers.

[Stuhoo 88,139]

Okay... I'll be the one to officially say it: