IU vs Wisconsin Post Game Thread

[coonhounds 8,787]

Wisconsin coaches and reached their kids to draw fouls. When they played out our place they shot 16/23 free throws to our 10/10.

yep we didn't move our feet and was hacking to much. We let them get there game plan accomplished while we abandoned ours

[Josh 12,561]

I'm not blaming the officiating. I'm commending Hayes for shooting free throws on every touch

[Alford Bailey 12,350]

I'll go ahead and say what many of you are thinking. How much better would we be minus Troy?

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

I'll go ahead and say what many of you are thinking. How much better would we be minus Troy?

Which Troy?

[Trish 11,505]

I'll go ahead and say what many of you are thinking. How much better would we be minus Troy?

Better , much better.

[OliviaPope40 6,445]

Troy is a turnover machine on high.

[JaybobHoosier 11,839]

Oh I love it. I was bashing the officiating on Twitter, and some cyber bully is telling me to delete my Twitter account and I'm retarded. Oh I love keyboard tough guys, no life and have to attack people to feel better about themselves. Always love a good laugh.

[DocLibby 761]

I've watched this game in Wisconsin four times now and I always have to check the date on the DVR because I'm not sure which year I'm watching, because they all look the same.  Yogi and company know that they ALWAYS have to play 5 on 8 ball when they are there and Yogi showed up accordingly.  But another common theme is that we can't seem to get all of the IU players to show up at the same time in the cheese state.  It could be the mental block of "IU hasn't won here since 1998" that is weighing on the freshman but we can only come up with so many excuses.  I'm going to copy and save this comment so I can paste it in the thread next year!  LOL  

 

This Doc and her beloved son love you guys!  Thank you for your undying support!

[8bucks 6,347]

Oh I love it. I was bashing the officiating on Twitter, and some cyber bully is telling me to delete my Twitter account and I'm retarded. Oh I love keyboard tough guys, no life and have to attack people to feel better about themselves. Always love a good laugh.

You are an idiot and probably a Kentucky fan.


Hmm, I do feel a little better. Idiot.

[TheWatShot 13,649]

Wisconsin fans on ESPN think IU got the calls tonight. I'm not making this up. 

[OG's Barber 35]

You made my point in your second sentence. If it didn't help, well, then it hurt. It hurts when the other team shoots over twenty free throws in the final ten minutes. I'm not saying we didn't make mistakes elsewhere, of course we did. But for you people saying the refs played no factor is completely wrong

Yogi had 30 and 7 boards, Bryant had 15 and 7, and nobody else really had a great game on IU's part. IU had 19 turnovers. Kinda hard to win when you turn it over 19 times and only have 2 guys that played well.

[OliviaPope40 6,445]

I hate the Kohl Center.

[incrediboy 922]

Were we jobbed? Maybe

Did we play horribly? Certainly

Were we outplayed, outhustled? Incredibly so.

 

I don't think we can put this one on Crean in any way. He didn't make the turnovers, he didn't refuse to guard Happ in the post, he didn't foul Hayes every time he got the ball. In fact, I think Crean coached a great game. 

[Alford Bailey 12,350]

We act like we are all surprised the officiating was bad at Kohl. Of course it was! How about after the second time Happ uses the chicken wing somebody on our bench goes ape sh** and lets a ref know we aren't gonna stand for it? No, we just grin and bare it the rest of the night.

[Stuhoo 79,716]

In a show of pathetic protest...

 

I will not eat cheese for one week (and I love cheese).

[Alford Bailey 12,350]

Were we jobbed? Maybe

Did we play horribly? Certainly

Were we outplayed, outhustled? Incredibly so.

 

I don't think we can put this one on Crean in any way. He didn't make the turnovers, he didn't refuse to guard Happ in the post, he didn't foul Hayes every time he got the ball. In fact, I think Crean coached a great game. 

Except its his job to not let us get man handled. Never been his strong suit.

[8bucks 6,347]

Were we jobbed? Maybe
Did we play horribly? Certainly
Were we outplayed, outhustled? Incredibly so.

I don't think we can put this one on Crean in any way. He didn't make the turnovers, he didn't refuse to guard Happ in the post, he didn't foul Hayes every time he got the ball. In fact, I think Crean coached a great game.

Why do you think Crean had TB guard Happ 15 feet from the basket. Happ had no outside shot and yet guarding him away from the basket allowed Happ to blow by TB.

Why not double team Nigel?

[OliviaPope40 6,445]

In a show of pathetic protest...

 

I will not eat cheese for one week (and I love cheese).

Can I slap your hand if you try to?

[Stuhoo 79,716]

Can I slap your hand if you try to?

 

No.

[Old Friend 8,389]

There will be lots of "this is what I was afraid of" posts, and I'll simply add mine.  

 

This is the consistent problem with Crean's teams.  Someone (and it's been Wisconsin almost every time we've played them) is able to slow us down, take away transition, and our offense stagnates.  We struggle to defend one on one, both on the perimeter and at the rim (Thomas Bryant is not close to NBA ready, and I hope someone tells him).  And we lose.  

 

This is a pattern.  We had 6 assists tonight.   28 made FG's.  6 assists.  Everything off the dribble because our half court offense is awful.  It's BEEN awful.  It will always BE awful with Crean because we don't move well, we don't screen well, and we don't cut well.  We happen to have a couple of players who are spectacular off the dribble, and tonight we made shots that way, but that won't always be the case.   More often than not, against even decent teams, when we're forced to play off the dribble, we'll get beat.

 

Our perimeter defense is weak, our interior players are either too young and not yet developed, or too slow, and don't move their feet well.  Only Zeller has been the exception under Crean. Those are the reasons we lost.  Inefficiency on offense, and awful defense which led to easy baskets and FT's for Wisconsin.  We made more FG's, more 3 pointers, and out-rebounded them.  That's a game we should win, especially with an experienced team; but alas....

 

Tonight was more of the same issues Indiana has always had under Crean when we play good teams; and if those teams take away our transition game and make us play defense, we're extremely vulnerable...even if that team is just 12-9.   

 

This loss was no surprise.  It was completely predictable, as were the reasons.