2017 IUBB recruiting

[Alford Bailey 12,804]

15 hours ago, BGleas said:

I've got us 1-for-14 on 24/7 composite 5/4* recruits from Indiana since 2013. That includes 2017, but doesn't include guys that just played prep school here. So guys like Brian Bowen and Issac Humphries weren't included. 

Of course we didn't target every one of them, in some cases there were extenuating circumstances (Swanigan/Lyles), and in some cases we got better players from out of state, but that's still not a good number. 

And the one we did get was clearly trying to go somewhere else. I just wish we could get an honest answer why this has happened. There is more to it than a kid just got a better offer.

[Yogi's Picnic Basket 5,004]

18 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Looking at our current projected roster unless we have a diamond in the rough in this class and next years I see no chance at us having a chance at contending for the big ten title next season. Not enough raw talent to win a league that's competitive year in and year out

I tend to disagree!! Here is why, JBJ is projected 60th in 2018 draft. That could change, but looks like he's coming back unless he wants to try the Troy route, which not only Troy's athletic ability made that possible but how much he wanted it. TB is a borderline 1st rounder. Everyone is assuming these guys are just gone, but let's take another look at our talent for next year.

 

JBJ- 5 Star

RoJo- High 4 Star

CuJo- High 4 Star

Devonte Green- Looks very good in both scrimmages

DD- High 4 Star

Juwan- Looks like a breakout candidate specially next year

Justin Smith- 4 Star

Hartman- great glue guy/could 

Newkirk- Senior PG w leadership

Moore- Project, but looks like he could be better than people think

 

I think that team could be very competitive. We won't have much depth up front, but RoJo, JBJ, 3rd guy, Juwan, DD w a possible Hartman in there if he misses this year. Look at NC State 3/4 of their top 5 class came after the season. Give it time people and there is always grad guys. I think we will be fine honestly.

[Brass Cannon 25,169]

JBJ is not coming back. If he doesn't go this year a 4th year in college isn't going to help him. He will go overseas. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,753]

Cujo is not a high 4 star and Crean is recruiting like we are losing at Least 1 guard. Most likely JBJ, but I could potentially see him return.

Yes, that is a solid core, missing an elite piece or 2.


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[BGleas 8,217]

While 5*'s and high 4*'s are absolutely important to winning, the real concern IMO is why are we consistently missing so many of our initial/primary targets? I know you're not going to land all your primary targets, but we've potentially whiffed on every one of them, and several of them were in-state. When a school like IU makes 3-4 kids a high priority you'd think we'd get 1-2 of them, especially coming off a Big Ten title, beating UK in the tourney, and having a clearly successful player development program with great facilities. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,753]

Louisville's off-the-court situation hasn't affected its recruiting. Cards have put together a strong 2017 class before November 1st.

1 5 star, 3 4 stars.


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[HoosierAloha 30,092]

Louisville's off-the-court situation hasn't affected its recruiting. Cards have put together a strong 2017 class before November 1st.

1 5 star, 3 4 stars.


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Recruiting is about relationships and making those relationships pay.

Louisville completely screwed their grad transfers last season so they could recruit at a high level going forward by promising no further sanctions. I don't want IU in that situation.

Bottom line: we need to recruit better to get better results. Recruiting is part science and part art unless you make it about accounting. I prefer IU not to make $100 handshakes.

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,753]

I don't want Louisville type recruiting either but for them to have a top 5 class amidst this mile high pile of trash and corruption is completely frustrating. They get their targets almost always unless battling UK for a recruit.


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[Stuhoo 85,135]

Louisville's off-the-court situation hasn't affected its recruiting. Cards have put together a strong 2017 class before November 1st.

1 5 star, 3 4 stars.


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Hookers, cash, and blow will fix our recruiting issues?

[MoyeNeeded 3,073]

That's what happens when you lose Kenny to UofL!

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[WayneFleekHoosier 49,753]

Hookers, cash, and blow will fix our recruiting issues?

Clearly not my point. It's that they should be where we were in Creans first 3 years with recruiting, or at least close.

Clearly they are breaking rules to get results. No other explanation for going to UL at this time, yet they maintain recruiting with the best.

We will never be able to compete in this landscape. The playing field needs to be leveled and soon. Or else no banner #6.


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[Stuhoo 85,135]

3 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Clearly not my point. It's that they should be where we were in Creans first 3 years with recruiting, or at least close.

Clearly they are breaking rules to get results. No other explanation for going to UL at this time, yet they maintain recruiting with the best.

We will never be able to compete in this landscape. The playing field needs to be leveled and soon. Or else no banner #6.

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"Clearly not your point" is true.

However, my post is not just sarcasm. Can we win with a team of student athletes? I don't know, but that's the only way I want to try.

[Brass Cannon 25,169]

Villanova just won without a recruiting class ranked higher than 30th. So you can win without consistent 5 star recruits. 

The question is can WE win without them?  

[Alford Bailey 12,804]

2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Villanova just won without a recruiting class ranked higher than 30th. So you can win without consistent 5 star recruits. 

The question is can WE win without them?  

Crean has won 2 B1G titles with extremely talented teams that could only get to the sweet sixteen. He has a chance to prove he can get to a FF this year with a talented team. I dont want to try with 30 plus ranked classes.

[8bucks 6,935]

While 5*'s and high 4*'s are absolutely important to winning, the real concern IMO is why are we consistently missing so many of our initial/primary targets? I know you're not going to land all your primary targets, but we've potentially whiffed on every one of them, and several of them were in-state. When a school like IU makes 3-4 kids a high priority you'd think we'd get 1-2 of them, especially coming off a Big Ten title, beating UK in the tourney, and having a clearly successful player development program with great facilities. 

I think this is my point as well. We whiff on so many kids that we prioritize, spend time and money recruiting but don't land.

We were supposed to be in such great shape with the 2017 class and we missed on all the priorities.

[HoosierTrav 8,085]

I was concerned you were questioning your previous post...

I'm an idiot.

[Old Friend 8,511]

1 hour ago, 8bucks said:

 

I think this is my point as well. We whiff on so many kids that we prioritize, spend time and money recruiting but don't land.

We were supposed to be in such great shape with the 2017 class and we missed on all the priorities.
 

 

We consistently spend 10x more on recruiting than Wisconsin does.  Think of that.  Why does Indiana have to spend $600K on recruiting?   With our tradition, facilities, and everything that our program is, why do we need to spend 10x more than Wisconsin to get players to come here, only to miss on so many?   Because our coach shotguns it and doesn't recruit to his system.   He says he does, but then we go get a Tim Priller.  A Stanford Robinson.   A Max Hoetzel.  (Why????)  Kids that have no chance to succeed here.  I wonder why Crean thinks he has to prioritize so many kids, and especially so many kids who from all over the place.  Own Indiana and build relationships in the neighboring states.  Go outside the area to get a few highly rated kids sometimes; and build your team with kids from around here.  Not like there's ever been a shortage of talent within 300 miles of Bloomington.   That cuts your budget by a ton, and probably builds you a team that can compete year in and year out.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

We consistently spend 10x more on recruiting than Wisconsin does.  Think of that.  Why does Indiana have to spend $600K on recruiting?   With our tradition, facilities, and everything that our program is, why do we need to spend 10x more than Wisconsin to get players to come here, only to miss on so many?   Because our coach shotguns it and doesn't recruit to his system.   He says he does, but then we go get a Tim Priller.  A Stanford Robinson.   A Max Hoetzel.  (Why????)  Kids that have no chance to succeed here.  I wonder why Crean thinks he has to prioritize so many kids, and especially so many kids who from all over the place.  Own Indiana and build relationships in the neighboring states.  Go outside the area to get a few highly rated kids sometimes; and build your team with kids from around here.  Not like there's ever been a shortage of talent within 300 miles of Bloomington.   That cuts your budget by a ton, and probably builds you a team that can compete year in and year out.

The state of Indiana is easily accessible and recruited by us, Purdue, ND, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisville, OSU, MSU, and Michigan. Wisconsin is pretty much up there on its own. Maybe they compete a bit more with Iowa and Minnesota? We have consistent championship caliber teams constantly right next door. I don't think anyone will ever be able to truly lock down the state, especially with three legendary coaches all within a few hours drive.


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[GloryDays 6,047]

I know this wont be a popular post but here we go anyway.Could it be that our coaches super hyperactive personality is grating and hard to get around for some folks.We have the facility's,tradition and the greatest state in the union for high school hoops.Butler gets instate kids,Purdue and Notre Dame likewise.Its puzzling to me .I know Crean works his ass off and is a good man but is he really likable?

[Hovadipo 59,147]

I know this wont be a popular post but here we go anyway.Could it be that our coaches super hyperactive personality is grating and hard to get around for some folks.We have the facility's,tradition and the greatest state in the union for high school hoops.Butler gets instate kids,Purdue and Notre Dame likewise.Its puzzling to me .I know Crean works his ass off and is a good man but is he really likable?

I think this, in a way, is a big part of it. I'm guessing it takes a certain type of player to play for Crean. Someone that wants to be told how to become great will play for him and love it. Someone that wants to be told that they're great already won't. Almost every recruit comments on how a major part of his recruiting pitch is what he thinks they should work on before they get to college. Maybe more coaches do this, but I don't know for sure. I'm willing to bet a lot of 5 stars (or just good basketball players in general) have been told they were already great for 5-8 years, so they just don't really identify with Crean and his approach. I want the guys that do identify with his approach, and if that means not landing many 5 stars, then I'm fine with it.

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