I want Tom Crean to stay

[SteelerHoosier 2,586]

while I think it is sad that 1 injury killed the whole season, you are right, building a football team is harder than a basketball team. Crean needs 5 guys while Wilson needs 22. Crean has everything he needs to be successful, Wilson, not so much

 

 

You need more than 5 in BBall lol..........and you sure as hell need more than 22 in football and you have to look at the positions on an individual basis. If a team that hasn't built depth yet, like IU, has a guy hurt at OG or CB or something you can do things to mask their weaknesses while highlighting their strengths.....when the guy who touches the ball on every single play (especially in a spread offense) is injured it becomes much harder to hide weaknesses. Keeping a bounty of veteran competent QBs on a single roster is hard to do. We went from being deep at the position to being very young and very inexperienced in a hurry because of transfers. If you have guys battling for one spot like they did someone is going to transfer to play elsewhere instead of riding the pine.   

[MikeRoberts 6,921]

You need more than 5 in BBall lol..........and you sure as hell need more than 22 in football and you have to look at the positions on an individual basis. If a team that hasn't built depth yet, like IU, has a guy hurt at OG or CB or something you can do things to mask their weaknesses while highlighting their strengths.....when the guy who touches the ball on every single play (especially in a spread offense) is injured it becomes much harder to hide weaknesses. Keeping a bounty of veteran competent QBs on a single roster is hard to do. We went from being deep at the position to being very young and very inexperienced in a hurry because of transfers. If you have guys battling for one spot like they did someone is going to transfer to play elsewhere instead of riding the pine.

you can have 5 stud basketball players and have a very good team. Don't need a lot of depth. Lots of teams play 7-8 guys and 6-8 are a big drop off. Football, if you have 22 good players that is a solid team. If IU ever had 22 good bigten players we would be in a bcs bowl game

Edit: lol

[SteelerHoosier 2,586]

Football, if you have 22 good players that is a solid team. If IU ever had 22 good bigten players we would be in a bcs bowl game

 

No. You have to have depth, but we are getting off topic here. To avoid making it worse feel free to PM me if you want to keep discussing this. 

[MikeRoberts 6,921]

No. You have to have depth, but we are getting off topic here. To avoid making it worse feel free to PM me if you want to keep discussing this.

cool, will bring this back on topic. 5 studs and 3 roll players is all IU needs to be a good basketball team. Crean has all the things any coach could ever want to get that accomplished but struggles. 99% of coaches in America would would die to have all the things Crean has to be successful. He has failed to bring this program back to where it belongs/ it's time to give someone else a go. All the tools are there

[ashmgee 193]

I wake up every morning and check the news in hopes that crean found another job or was fired.

I'll keep on the same schedule until it happens. I can deal with short term issues (new coach building a team), but crean has not proven he can do much even with some pretty dang good talent on a roster.

[GloryDays 5,913]

Thats quite a juggle to not oversign but be prepared for guys to possibly leave early for the NBA.

Hindsight is 20/20 I suppose.

Would you prefer the IU had another PG signed this year in case Yogi goes pro?

  If your signing 2 players this year 1 should have been a 5 and the other a point.Both were wings and not positions of need.Now that's what he's going after.

That on top of two late pickups last year that will probably never see the floor adds up to bad roster management.

 Maybe he couldn't foresee the Fisher transfer but to sign those two made no sense whatsoever

.I wont even go into the in game coaching.

We need to cut and run while we still have a chance at the 2 strong recruiting classes in this state.

[Tom White 1,435]

I believe the pieces are in place to succeed with the current regime. Continues to recruit at a high level but circumstances have not gone in IU's favor in the W/L column. Not unlike Kevin Wilson's last few years.

What would those circumstances be that are not under the control of the coach?

[PointBlank 116]

I hate losing as much as the next guy. No doubt we could use some senior leadership to get us back to being #1 in the nation like we were a few years back.

I think the NBA lottery picks have hurt more than anything. 3 in 2 years and any of those guys could of come back another year. Hard to fault Crean for sending guys to the show but it left the cupboard bare.

 

I think Crean does share fault for not having capable big men. He should know the pulse of his team at all times, he should anticipate the early departures and recruit accordingly. Everyone on the planet knew the players were headed to the draft, I would assume Crean knew as well. No one is faulting Crean for assisting those players in leaving early for the NBA, but his plans to alleviate the pain in regards to these players leaving have been unacceptable.

[Dalton26 16,892]

HoosierPT, on 29 Mar 2015 - 12:06 AM, said:

What knowledgeable football fan would call for Wilson's job? We were Nate Sudfeld away from a bowl game this past year. Recruiting and developing talent is a much longer process than for Basketball in my opinion. Give it time and we will have depth where we can sustain an injury to a key starter like that and still be competitive. Plus, the defense started to make strides last season without Regression Mallory calling the defense. Would also help if your students filled up Memorial Stadium on a consistent basis as well. Nothing more embarrassing than a non-existent fan base that chooses to leave after tailgating or halftime of a competitive game when hosting recruits.........sorry for going off topic.....football coach in me couldn't help it

Sudfeld wasn't anything special before his injury last season. Its not like we lost someone who was playing good or great football.

[mdn82 25,510]

That is sad........I played college ball with 104 other guys so of course there was some disconnect between some of us and there were some groups within the team with a number that large, but I don't recall anything like that ever happening. You would expect on a team with only a few guys to be a lot closer than that......really makes me sad as a former athlete and as a current coach when I see how Coach Crean handle the situation.  

 

Absolutely.  I personally was pissed when I first heard.  I don't care if it was a walk-on who had this happened to them from the top guy on the team.  The top guy needs to be gone.  Some players on this team at a given time were enjoying their celebrity status a bit much and unfortunately the man at the top had no vision to knock them back a step.  Took a life changing moment to wake them up which is sad.  

[Banksyrules 4,574]

Signed ball from team he was taking home as a gift over Christmas break. It was under his bed. One of our current players was smoking weed in the room with his boys and locked Luke out. One of the current players boys stole the ball. Fischer went to Crean and nothing was done. Decision was made when he went home cause he was already homesick before that happened. That was the final straw.

Yeah it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that's messed up. I would hope coach crean would have been man enough to do something. smh.

[HoosierPT 121]

What would those circumstances be that are not under the control of the coach?

Only one coach wins the title each year. To pretend that a coach can control all the variable and forsee every issue beforehand is setting up Crean, or whoever would replace him, to fail.

You think Mike Brey failed last night since his team lost? It's just not that easy.

I believe most college bball fans would consider Mark Few at Gonzaga as a success. Did you know it had been 16 years since he was in a sweet 16?

I think some IU fans expect final fours like it is their birthright.

[coonhounds 8,794]

Yeah it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that's messed up. I would hope coach crean would have been man enough to do something. smh.

i believe the rumors where crean has his favorites and the player that was mentioned I could see crean looking the other way and not taking proper action.

[southernindianahoosier 422]

Only one coach wins the title each year. To pretend that a coach can control all the variable and forsee every issue beforehand is setting up Crean, or whoever would replace him, to fail.

You think Mike Brey failed last night since his team lost? It's just not that easy.

I believe most college bball fans would consider Mark Few at Gonzaga as a success. Did you know it had been 16 years since he was in a sweet 16?

I think some IU fans expect final fours like it is their birthright.

How many national Titles does Gonzaga have?

How about we use the comparison method to "like schools" such as UNC, Duke, Kansas, UK.... Not mid-majors in Washington. (Or wherever they are)

You'll see that "like schools" expect success. You act like it's a bad thing our fanbase has demanding expectations.... I agree that our expectations for Crean are way too high. He can't achieve them... But that doesn't mean we lower them, it means we find someone else who can achieve them.

As far as getting upset at Mike Brey, how could you? His team played their best and gave it their all and lost... They didn't get blown out in the sweet 16. Had they been embarrassed by a lower seed then maybe they could be upset.

[TrueHoosier62 1,592]

IMO, you're half right. He did a lot to resurrect the program. But at this point, he's the epitome of the Peter Principle. 

Anyone who quotes the Peter Principle, gets an A+ from TrueHoosier62, and Tom Crean is the poster child for it. Well played sir.

[JSHoosier 19,850]

How many national Titles does Gonzaga have?

How about we use the comparison method to "like schools" such as UNC, Duke, Kansas, UK.... Not mid-majors in Washington. (Or wherever they are)

You'll see that "like schools" expect success. You act like it's a bad thing our fanbase has demanding expectations.... I agree that our expectations for Crean are way too high. He can't achieve them... But that doesn't mean we lower them, it means we find someone else who can achieve them.

As far as getting upset at Mike Brey, how could you? His team played their best and gave it their all and lost... They didn't get blown out in the sweet 16. Had they been embarrassed by a lower seed then maybe they could be upset.

I could see being somewhat upset over how they wet themselves down the stretch, but they gave it everything they had and played an undefeated team to the wire.

[BlueDevil 8,655]

IU comparisons with ND and Gonzaga.. How the mighty have fallen.

[HoosierSadaseci 2,258]

Reading this thread makes me believe that some of these posters are either related to Crean in some way, or really do not know basketball.

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,975]

Reading this thread makes me believe that some of these posters are either related to Crean in some way, or really do not know basketball.

yep. Those with basketball backgrounds are generally more critical.

[Tom White 1,435]

Only one coach wins the title each year. To pretend that a coach can control all the variable and forsee every issue beforehand is setting up Crean, or whoever would replace him, to fail.

You think Mike Brey failed last night since his team lost? It's just not that easy.

I believe most college bball fans would consider Mark Few at Gonzaga as a success. Did you know it had been 16 years since he was in a sweet 16?

I think some IU fans expect final fours like it is their birthright.

You still didn't tell me just what circumstances you were speaking of. All you did was give semi off topic generic talking points.

I mean, are you thinking of things like Devin's injury affecting the season? You are still not clear on what special circumstances Cream faced that every other coach doesn't.