IU vs. MSU Postgame

[BenzOrBeamer 351]

Just ordered a big box of these, custom made.

[JaybobHoosier 11,921]

Oh ok. I thought you were trying to argue and I was confused. Lol my bad.

It's JS, he's weird like that.

[Big Bad Wolf 101]

Archie Miller, Tony Bennett, Smart and Marshall would be great hires(although I'm not wild about Smart) and a big upgrade. They could do serious damage here. Three out of those 4 would come here and who knows if Bennett has changed his mind.

It doesn't have to be Pitino, Calipari or Donovan. It needs to be the NEXT one of those guys. We missed on Sean Miller and Bennett last tine. We need to stop missing and go Alabama/Michigan on our next top target.

[brandct 610]

Archie Miller, Tony Bennett, Smart and Marshall would be great hires(although I'm not wild about Smart) and a big upgrade. They could do serious damage here. Three out of those 4 would come here and who knows if Bennett has changed his mind.

It doesn't have to be Pitino, Calipari or Donovan. It needs to be the NEXT one of those guys. We missed on Sean Miller and Bennett last tine. We need to stop missing and go Alabama/Michigan on our next top target.

I agree about smart he would not be a coach I would want. I think any of the others would be a good hire. I just don't know If Bloomington can handle another year under Crean. There is a lot of arguments going between a lot of IU fans now that are getting heated. If we switched coaches now I think he could hit the ground running because I don't think JBJ goes pro after this year and I don't think Williams would sit a year. If he underachieves after next year but those players have a good year the team could be fairly bare for the next coach.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,670]

Patty Williams is quoted saying she looks forward to next season and IU being ranked #1. Newsworthy: 1. Troy likely returns and 2. Crean is delusional?

@mayaandej: Okay if you are following me and say anything incentive or rude, I will block you. I love #IUBB and look forward to them being #1next year

[BenzOrBeamer 351]

Patty Williams is quoted saying she looks forward to next season and IU being ranked #1. Newsworthy: 1. Troy likely returns and 2. Crean is delusional?

@mayaandej: Okay if you are following me and say anything incentive or rude, I will block you. I love #IUBB and look forward to them being #1next year

Patty williams??? Our women's swimming coach?

Judging by her spelling she is our English dept chair?

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,670]

Patty williams??? Our women's swimming coach?

Judging by her spelling she is our English dept chair?

nah, she meant incentive.

[BenzOrBeamer 351]

nah, she meant incentive.

Seriously who is she

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,670]

I'm not against replacing Crean. I'm just not ready for a knee jerk reaction and a piss poor hurried hire.

People liked comparing it to the Matt D at UNC. Fine, then go get a Roy Williams type, not some other mid-major coach who had 1 good recruit that could carry a team.

But, I believe that DURING THE F'ING SEASON isn't the time to talk about it.

during the season IS the time to talk about it IF you don't want a "Hurried Hire". It is anything but a knee jerk reaction, the writing has been all over the walls for a year prior. He was #1 coach on the hot seat in many polls entering this season!

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,670]

Seriously who is she

Troy's mom

[brandct 610]

Seriously who is she

Troy Williams mother

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,670]

You mean the point that a former swimmer said the players don't like Crean? Is that a real source?

how about Mo Creek? What do u think he'd say??

[BenzOrBeamer 351]

When the players parents are getting involved and defensive I think that speaks volumes.

[BenzOrBeamer 351]

how about Mo Creek? What do u think he'd say??

I know a couple of former Crean players...they weren't 4 year guys, they aren't fans

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,670]

I know a couple of former Crean players...they weren't 4 year guys, they aren't fans

i also realize you can't make everyone happy in sports but this is just one part of Crean's failures in my mind. If it were just one thing or if his decisions lead to more winning it would be more easily excused. Problem is, no matter who's Creaned we aren't winning. So there goes that.

[Whoozhers 3,723]

Better angle of the last shot of the first half. SMH...

Credit: Doc Libby

https://instagram.com/p/z8bQeSgmuY/

I was driving back from Texas yesterday. Couldn't get a radio broadcast. Only game cast on ESPN. First time I saw this video. Clearly the 2 zebras were watching the ball at the rim and not the play on the floor. Deplorable non-call. Not that it would've changed the outcome much but, we sure got hosed on that one! Thanks for posting the link.

[CottageGrove 563]

Archie Miller, Tony Bennett, Smart and Marshall would be great hires(although I'm not wild about Smart) and a big upgrade. They could do serious damage here. Three out of those 4 would come here and who knows if Bennett has changed his mind.

It doesn't have to be Pitino, Calipari or Donovan. It needs to be the NEXT one of those guys. We missed on Sean Miller and Bennett last tine. We need to stop missing and go Alabama/Michigan on our next top target.

 

I wouldn't be so quick to lump Archie Miller in with the other names on your list. He's doing a nice job, for sure. But right now his resume doesn't look all that different from Crean's resume at Marquette. If IU were to go get him I'd root like heck for him, but right now he wouldn't be in my top 5 to pursue. 

[Hovadipo 56,807]

Patty Williams is quoted saying she looks forward to next season and IU being ranked #1. Newsworthy: 1. Troy likely returns and 2. Crean is delusional?

@mayaandej: Okay if you are following me and say anything incentive or rude, I will block you. I love #IUBB and look forward to them being #1next year

She's also quoted as saying something along the lines of "we will laugh our way to the bank", so I'm taking anything she says with a truck full of salt.

[JSHoosier 20,450]

There is only one coach, maybe, you fire him for now. That coach isn't interested at the moment. It's really just beginning. I'm not against a change, but it sure would look weak. The names that IU is allegedly interested in: Smart, Bennett, Miller.. Are they really going to be that much of an upgrade? This team has played a horrible style of basketball since Purdue, and it is ridiculous. It's pathetic. But it isn't the norm under Crean if you have just look at his career. When guys go hard, it's sharp. This team hung on for a while, but they have leadership still developing and they don't have enough physical bodies.

The point is, this cycle of firing coaches isn't a smart business to get into. Especially when there's little reason to get rid of the coach. Get a freakin backbone...If Indiana was anything close to a championship program, it would be reasonable to be outraged at the last two seasons. But don't forget where we were and where we have been very recently. Coaches are fired far too early in this day and age. This situation is different, too, since IU started over. And then started over again. Unfortunately 2013 class hasn't quite had the commitment of 2009...

Wait, wait, wait.  You're telling ME to look at his career?  In case you've somehow forgotten, I have.  It's far from impressive.  Actually he's spent the vast majority of his career wallowing in mediocrity.  I have looked at his career and that's the problem, there's really nothing to say he's better than what he's shown.  You're the one that overlooks his career for things his friends say to the media.  We lose the same way every time in every year he's been here, you can always point to the same culprits:  no movement on offense and over dribbling, can't get stops, turning the ball over.  It's the same style of basketball we've seen every season, it looks good when we hit shots and can get out in transition and the secondary break.  Force them to play halfcourt and they tend to struggle.  People are upset over more than just two seasons, you're just seeing the breaking point.

 

Everyone here knows where the program was when he took over.  The program isn't the dumpster fire it was, we're all thankful for that, but some of us are wiling to accept that he's not the guy going forward.  Coaches get stability because they win, and Crean has never won at the level to warrant the kind of stability people want to give him.  Tubby Smith was at UK 10 years, won his conference 5 times and never missed the NCAA tournament going to at least the Sweet 16 6 times and further than that 4 times; and he was basically run out of town.  We're supposed to give that much time to a coach that's only managed to win his conference twice in 16 years?  I'm not buying what you're selling.

[Golfman25 5,752]

If Tom Crean were a baseball team, he'd be the Chicago Cubs, replete with the motto "just wait till next year".

Unfortunately, retaining Tom Crean as head coach requires that one believe "next year" will be markedly better than this year, that incoming freshmen will make a decided difference, that current players will stick around AND develop their game, that the team, no matter what its make up, will learn to play, (and/or be willing to play), defense, and that coach Tom Crean will magically become a tactician, a strategist, and a decent in game coach rolled in to one.

That is asking too much of my faith and imagination.

Yes but the Cubs got rid of a newly hired coach to get a better coach in joe maddon. Then they got some pitcher to join them.