IU AD Glass lays down the law on misbehaving basketball team

[Kepner 1,261]

Why are people assuming Crean hasn't had similar talks with the team multiple times? Glass himself said Crean spoke to the team for 30 minutes the Friday of Halloween about being safe and looking out for each other.

Ever heard of brining in a different voice for your players, students, kids, etc.?

THIS!!!

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

OK--I am going to say it---yet another thread where no matter what Coach does----it is wrong---SHOCKING!

 

Pile on---pile on---without even knowing how college athletics work--- or the chain of command ---or what Crean has even told the team previously ----or what internal discipline he has already imposed.  Ridiculous.

 

Just another example of twisting a set of facts to fit your own agenda.

 

Come on people--sometimes I feel like I am on a Purdue message Board.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

And while I am on a rant---Dan Dakich----you sound more like a Michigan homer every day! Pile on while you can.

 

You didn't get the IU head coaching job---Crean did---get over it!

 

Rant over.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Heck---at this point I don't care if Crean brings in the Pope to talk to the boys---just get it cleaned up!

 

A little off-topic----A fair criticism of Coach: I was disappointed to see us have so much energy--especially in the second half of the game against Northwood---I was hoping the team would be too tired to play after all the running and puking they had to do for their violations and for not holding each other accountable. :rtfm:

[HoosierDribbler 475]

Would ya'll stop having opinions on this forum? It annoys other people.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Would ya'll stop having opinions on this forum? It annoys other people.

 

It only annoys some of them if it's not their own.

 

There's room for both sides of a debate!
 

[mamasa 15,690]

Would ya'll stop having opinions on this forum? It annoys other people.

Opinions are great! It's when a person cannot or will not respect or give any validity to the contrary opinion that it gets out of hand. Also, the need to make one's opinion (on any point of the sunshine spectrum) known in every post is annoying.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

What's wrong with a mix of opinions in EVERY post---as long as they are on-topic????

[mdn82 25,767]

I think most of us assume Crean has had these speeches multiple times with the players. And that is the problem. The current players don't respect or fear Crean enough to actually take what he says seriously. He has lost control. Thus, Glass must step in and act like the ring leader. Sad really.

The good cop bad cop analogy is decent but that should be with the assistant and the head coach. If the head coach is a softie then his assistants should be strict or vice versa. This shouldn't have gone this far.

Total lack of respect.

I have said this numerous times in regards to Crean's coaching style, but I truly feel he sometimes trusts his players too much. He feels as though talking is what it always takes for people to listen. During a game he will keep going with what isn't working. Like Yogi in that Cuse game as a freshman in spite of it obviously not working. After the game he mentioned in depth how much they planned and he kept doing what they discussed not to do. Instead of benching him and moving jordy to the point early he stuck with Yogi. Crean just trusts these kids unconditionally to a fault in many aspects. IMO

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

I'm surprised that so many can get themselves to believe that Crean has been a major college head coach for nearly two decades....without being a leader or capable of leadership. That is truly amazing.

 

Some of you have no idea about how this works. None.

[8bucks 6,933]

I found it frustrating to hear Glass suggest there is only so much they can do. They have talked to the players and yet they kept getting out of line.

I am sorry but when punishment does not work you ramp it up or adjust so that the message gets across. It is like that parent at the store who tells the crying kid they will get it if they keep it up. The kid keeps it up and the threat changes to ill get you candy if you hush.

Yeah I do not know what goes on behind the scenes but what irks me is that Glass suggests now, after what 6 transgressions, now they are serious. No more mr nice guys.

If they do better going forward great but when players do not fear the punishment you have to ramp it up.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

I found it frustrating to hear Glass suggest there is only so much they can do. They have talked to the players and yet they kept getting out of line.

I am sorry but when punishment does not work you ramp it up or adjust so that the message gets across. It is like that parent at the store who tells the crying kid they will get it if they keep it up. The kid keeps it up and the threat changes to ill get you candy if you hush.

Yeah I do not know what goes on behind the scenes but what irks me is that Glass suggests now, after what 6 transgressions, now they are serious. No more mr nice guys.

If they do better going forward great but when players do not fear the punishment you have to ramp it up.

Maybe they have been ramping up the punishment. These guys could be receiving the harshest punishment Crean has had to dole out since he got here. We truly don't know what goes on in the gym.

[Alford Bailey 12,784]

I couldn't help but think, "Just wait until your father gets home".

Oh, heard that one a time or two...

[hoosierinIll 335]

I'm not sure what to make of this. So, they're not BAD kids, buts it's ALL on the kids? To me, this is Glass covering some behind. They're not bad kids, so that's why it was ok for coach to recruit them? But the responsibility is all on the kids, so that's why Crean is the solution?!

The current IU roster has multiple players that I don't want to be role models for my sons. My 7 year old loves Troy Williams, but how to I explain to him why he's not playing? (Or why a third of IU scholly players aren't playing?) Crean is paid millions every year to win games and raise men who will make positive contributions to society. It seems both of those things are frayed.

I think we need to realize, as many here do, that Glass is in danger here, too. I think he realizes that he's attached to Crean with the rediculous contract extension and he seems to be willing to go down with him. Not to mention other issues in the athletic department that I think reflect poorly on Glass. I'm confident there are persons in the Adminstration who are concerned with Him, especially after the recent events involving our IUWBB coach. It's not all butterflys and rainbows right now.

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,749]

I'm not sure what to make of this. So, they're not BAD kids, buts it's ALL on the kids? To me, this is Glass covering some behind. They're not bad kids, so that's why it was ok for coach to recruit them? But the responsibility is all on the kids, so that's why Crean is the solution?!

The current IU roster has multiple players that I don't want to be role models for my sons. My 7 year old loves Troy Williams, but how to I explain to him why he's not playing? (Or why a third of IU scholly players aren't playing?) Crean is paid millions every year to win games and raise men who will make positive contributions to society. It seems both of those things are frayed.

I think we need to realize, as many here do, that Glass is in danger here, too. I think he realizes that he's attached to Crean with the rediculous contract extension and he seems to be willing to go down with him. Not to mention other issues in the athletic department that I think reflect poorly on Glass. I'm confident there are persons in the Adminstration who are concerned with Him, especially after the recent events involving our IUWBB coach. It's not all butterflys and rainbows right now.

nicely said. Your first paragraph says things perfectly. I think that is the crux of the matter. Who gets the blame? My thinking is if it's the kids. Boot them. If it were 1 or 2 it would be easy to blame the kids. But the amount those involved indicates it's not just the kids. Anyway. Some see it this way and some see it some other way that I can't seem to understand. I guess, I want to know who those people blame?

People are concerned about the negativity but that is the state of the program at the moment and for the past year. Thankfully we have some super talented kids to watch this season. So it's not all bad but the behind the scenes stuff is worth worrying about.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

I'm surprised that so many can get themselves to believe that Crean has been a major college head coach for nearly two decades....without being a leader or capable of leadership. That is truly amazing.

 

Some of you have no idea about how this works. None.

 

Agree!  But---blood is in the water---it doesn't have to make sense---It's the mob mentality at work---blame the Coach---pile on---get out the pitchforks!

 

The negative momentum is building---reason and facts are meaningless----I think Coach only gets this year to turn it around or he is shown the door. That's just the way it is.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

Maybe they have been ramping up the punishment. These guys could be receiving the harshest punishment Crean has had to dole out since he got here. We truly don't know what goes on in the gym.

 

Agree!  People don't care about the facts anymore. It's just too easy to assume this or assume that to justify their already negative opinion of Coach.  Sad but true.  And the negative momentum is building.  Winning and no more violations are the only two things that can help now! Sorry--I call it like I see it!

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

I'll bet the other fanbases---especially Purdue and UK are enjoying this sad spectacle.  :no:

[Dunn Woods 92]

Glass: "Hey, you kids! You're on notice. No more of this nonsense, okay?"

 

Sounds weak to me.

 

not as weak as selling a home football game to PSU or scheduling Navy/Mizzou in the same season (a season in which we finished with 5 wins...sure would have been nice to play a team lacking an offense capable of gashing our pathetic defense in their sleep)

[8bucks 6,933]

Agree! People don't care about the facts anymore. It's just too easy to assume this or assume that to justify their already negative opinion of Coach. Sad but true. And the negative momentum is building. Winning and no more violations are the only two things that can help now! Sorry--I call it like I see it!

Wait, what facts? What I basically said was that If the kids do not fear the punishments then the punishments are probably no strong enough. CF responds that there might be more going on behind the scenes that we do not see. Then you comment about people not caring about facts.

I have been suggesting the same thing though about momentum. Seems most of the momentum the last 1.5 years has been negative. For Crean to survive that needs to turn around. The straw that breaks the camels back is often not a big straw but simply the last in a series of negative momentum events.