College Bball Thread

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One of the best things in college basketball right now is Bilas deciding he has zero f’s left to give and pretty much going to war on college officiating. Lost his mind pretty good over a terrible charge call in the Arizona-Oregon game. Good for him. Maybe if the guys with the big footprints just relentlessly call out this incompetence they can embarrass someone into action. Or, at least a guy can hope.

[TheWatShot 15,480]

3 minutes ago, Demo said:

One of the best things in college basketball right now is Bilas deciding he has zero f’s left to give and pretty much going to war on college officiating. Lost his mind pretty good over a terrible charge call in the Arizona-Oregon game. Good for him. Maybe if the guys with the big footprints just relentlessly call out this incompetence they can embarrass someone into action. Or, at least a guy can hope.

Hopefully someone shows him the "foul" Jordan Bohannon drew today on Jamari Wheeler. Shot clock about to expire, Wheeler doesn't leave his feet, arms straight up, Bohannon flings one at the basket, then flails his arms and stumbles sideways, whistle blows. Holtmann practically had to be restrained; I thought for sure he was getting T'd up. Then, in predictable fashion, the announcers see a replay and one of them sheepishly goes "Um, yeah, looks like there was some contact there," the contact being made by Bohannon flailing his arms after the shot. The score was tied when that happened and OSU completely fell apart after that. It was a game-changing call. 

[Southside 1,914]

1 hour ago, Demo said:

One of the best things in college basketball right now is Bilas deciding he has zero f’s left to give and pretty much going to war on college officiating. Lost his mind pretty good over a terrible charge call in the Arizona-Oregon game. Good for him. Maybe if the guys with the big footprints just relentlessly call out this incompetence they can embarrass someone into action. Or, at least a guy can hope.

 

58 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Hopefully someone shows him the "foul" Jordan Bohannon drew today on Jamari Wheeler. Shot clock about to expire, Wheeler doesn't leave his feet, arms straight up, Bohannon flings one at the basket, then flails his arms and stumbles sideways, whistle blows. Holtmann practically had to be restrained; I thought for sure he was getting T'd up. Then, in predictable fashion, the announcers see a replay and one of them sheepishly goes "Um, yeah, looks like there was some contact there," the contact being made by Bohannon flailing his arms after the shot. The score was tied when that happened and OSU completely fell apart after that. It was a game-changing call. 

To both. I've always wondered what type of QA procedures go on behind the scenes for officiating. You'd think the P5s would employ a couple guys to review every foul called in every game. More or less a grade for each official. 

[Brass Cannon 25,429]

7 hours ago, Southside said:

 

To both. I've always wondered what type of QA procedures go on behind the scenes for officiating. You'd think the P5s would employ a couple guys to review every foul called in every game. More or less a grade for each official. 

The poor officiating isn’t a bug it’s a feature

[Rico 3,546]

10 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

The poor officiating isn’t a bug it’s a feature

How do I turn the feature off?

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This is comical. How perfect of a fit would Bruce Pearl be at Uof6? Sleazy coach running an even sleazier program. 
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I would take Bruce Pearl. At one point and time, he would’ve came here. Probably not now though. We need someone that is going to follow the “rules” like the other big dogs. Got to hire a compliance team that is on the same page as well


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14 minutes ago, Rico said:

How do I turn the feature off?

You have to upgrade the Big Ten to Century 2.1

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9 hours ago, Demo said:

One of the best things in college basketball right now is Bilas deciding he has zero f’s left to give and pretty much going to war on college officiating. Lost his mind pretty good over a terrible charge call in the Arizona-Oregon game. Good for him. Maybe if the guys with the big footprints just relentlessly call out this incompetence they can embarrass someone into action. Or, at least a guy can hope.

Yep if you’ve got power you’ve got a duty to use it. Good for Bilas.

I actually thought he was relatively restrained when Brad Davison conspired with the officials to give Wisconsin an extrajudicial possession vs. IU this week. Obviously IU was bad down the stretch but they would’ve had the ball, :20 on the shot clock, up 1 with about a minute left. Hard to imagine that wouldn’t have at least changed the balance of the remainder of the game.

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9 hours ago, Southside said:

 

To both. I've always wondered what type of QA procedures go on behind the scenes for officiating. You'd think the P5s would employ a couple guys to review every foul called in every game. More or less a grade for each official. 

Ok, I’m in a mood. So I’m gonna rant for a while. 
As bad as it’s become, I actually don’t put much of the issues with officiating directly on the officials. Sure, they get a lot wrong. But, the evolution of the athleticism in the game has so far surpassed the ability of the current model to deal with it. I played my last game 38 years ago and the only thing that’s changed since then is that they’ve added 1 official. Michael Jordan was the re-defining athlete of my era. He’d still be a great player, but athletically, forget the NBA, there are so many college players now who are as good or better athletes than Jordan that he wouldn’t stand out today. He wouldn’t. The speed of the game now is just nuts. And that athleticism has shrunk the court, shrunk the sight lines and turned every call into a bang bang proposition. And yet, the game is played on the same court that was being used in the ‘40’s and being officiated by the same sort of collection of middle aged non-athletes. Those guys are trying, but today’s game asks too much of them. I think 2 things need to happen. 1) I would love to see the court expanded to something like 100x56. Changing points of emphasis won’t create freedom of movement without adding space to operate. You gotta give these kids more room to do what they can do. 2) At least at the D1 level, you have to go to 4 officials. Creates better angles of vision, better supervision, and officials are only running half the floor so their attention will be better. Hell, I’d really like to see 6 officials, 2 on each baseline and 2 at half court and then they’d never have to change ends. But, since that’ll never happen, I’ll take 4. Also, I freaking hate review for anything other than something that could result in player injury. Reviewing that change of possession at the end of the Wisky game for 5 minutes was insane. The whole last 2 mins thing is ridiculous. If they miss it, they miss it. Play on. Don’t kill the flow of play. 
 

But, since none of that is gonna happen, I’ll just go ahead and stick with, yeah, the officiating sucks.

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8 minutes ago, Demo said:

Ok, I’m in a mood. So I’m gonna rant for a while. 
As bad as it’s become, I actually don’t put much of the issues with officiating directly on the officials. Sure, they get a lot wrong. But, the evolution of the athleticism in the game has so far surpassed the ability of the current model to deal with it. I played my last game 38 years ago and the only thing that’s changed since then is that they’ve added 1 official. Michael Jordan was the re-defining athlete of my era. He’d still be a great player, but athletically, forget the NBA, there are so many college players now who are as good or better athletes than Jordan that he wouldn’t stand out today. He wouldn’t. The speed of the game now is just nuts. And that athleticism has shrunk the court, shrunk the sight lines and turned every call into a bang bang proposition. And yet, the game is played on the same court that was being used in the ‘40’s and being officiated by the same sort of collection of middle aged non-athletes. Those guys are trying, but today’s game asks too much of them. I think 2 things need to happen. 1) I would love to see the court expanded to something like 100x56. Changing points of emphasis won’t create freedom of movement without adding space to operate. You gotta give these kids more room to do what they can do. 2) At least at the D1 level, you have to go to 4 officials. Creates better angles of vision, better supervision, and officials are only running half the floor so their attention will be better. Hell, I’d really like to see 6 officials, 2 on each baseline and 2 at half court and then they’d never have to change ends. But, since that’ll never happen, I’ll take 4. Also, I freaking hate review for anything other than something that could result in player injury. Reviewing that change of possession at the end of the Wisky game for 5 minutes was insane. The whole last 2 mins thing is ridiculous. If they miss it, they miss it. Play on. Don’t kill the flow of play. 
 

But, since none of that is gonna happen, I’ll just go ahead and stick with, yeah, the officiating sucks.

I don't think even 4 officials will help. They just don't care anymore. They call plenty when they aren't position because they just assume and refs never correct each other anymore. And there is always 1 ref that tries to steal the show. Collegiate officiating, even for as bad as the NBA can be, is just the absolute worst on the planet. With the Big Ten leading the way in awfulness. 

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1 hour ago, Demo said:

Ok, I’m in a mood. So I’m gonna rant for a while. 
As bad as it’s become, I actually don’t put much of the issues with officiating directly on the officials. Sure, they get a lot wrong. But, the evolution of the athleticism in the game has so far surpassed the ability of the current model to deal with it. I played my last game 38 years ago and the only thing that’s changed since then is that they’ve added 1 official. Michael Jordan was the re-defining athlete of my era. He’d still be a great player, but athletically, forget the NBA, there are so many college players now who are as good or better athletes than Jordan that he wouldn’t stand out today. He wouldn’t. The speed of the game now is just nuts. And that athleticism has shrunk the court, shrunk the sight lines and turned every call into a bang bang proposition. And yet, the game is played on the same court that was being used in the ‘40’s and being officiated by the same sort of collection of middle aged non-athletes. Those guys are trying, but today’s game asks too much of them. I think 2 things need to happen. 1) I would love to see the court expanded to something like 100x56. Changing points of emphasis won’t create freedom of movement without adding space to operate. You gotta give these kids more room to do what they can do. 2) At least at the D1 level, you have to go to 4 officials. Creates better angles of vision, better supervision, and officials are only running half the floor so their attention will be better. Hell, I’d really like to see 6 officials, 2 on each baseline and 2 at half court and then they’d never have to change ends. But, since that’ll never happen, I’ll take 4. Also, I freaking hate review for anything other than something that could result in player injury. Reviewing that change of possession at the end of the Wisky game for 5 minutes was insane. The whole last 2 mins thing is ridiculous. If they miss it, they miss it. Play on. Don’t kill the flow of play. 
 

But, since none of that is gonna happen, I’ll just go ahead and stick with, yeah, the officiating sucks.

The technology has been there for years to change the way the game is officiated. Why haven't they adopted that technology to at least assist with calling the game? That goes for more than just basketball.

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3 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

The poor officiating isn’t a bug it’s a feature

Nice!

[Stuhoo 89,410]

I’ve officiated some. Nothing fancy; in two ref situations up through high school age.

I think that a fourth ref will have little or no effect. Good, highly trained refs are constantly putting themselves in a best-vantage point situation. The problem is players don’t always move logically. So anticipating angles and movement is designed to increase the odds of seeing the whole play, not guaranteed access. Moreover, refs divide the court into sections. A third of the half court is not a ton of area to cover, AND unless asked a good ref will NOT make a call in their partner’s territory.

I really don’t think refereeing is deteriorating. They’ve always missed calls and always will.I think that technology and reviews have allowed spectators on television to hyper-analyze so many calls.

• Keep reviews to 30 seconds/max 1 minute and  get the ball back in play and bouncing.
• Get rid of the unlimited referee-driven reviews in the last two minutes. In fact get rid of referee request reviews period. 
• Give each team two reviews for the game; maybe refund one if it’s successful. And that includes reviews for flagrant fouls.

In other words, reinforce that refereeing, even when exceptional, is an in exact science that has human error baked in. Stop highlighting potential referee errors. They are part of the game and are no more or less prevalent than before.

 

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11 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

 

“His head coaching acumen has never been in question“

Never?!?

Okay. I question it. That’s now one person who does.

[TheWatShot 15,480]

Ever seen a guy get airborne, trying to dunk, and realize while he's in midair that he has no chance of making it? That was Chris Vogt just now. Tried a tomahawk slam over his defender and literally threw it off the front of the rim. 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Ever seen a guy get airborne, trying to dunk, and realize while he's in midair that he has no chance of making it? That was Chris Vogt just now. Tried a tomahawk slam over his defender and literally threw it off the front of the rim. 

 

 

Slow motion shot was even better when you could see the look on his face. Lol 

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1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

I’ve officiated some. Nothing fancy; in two ref situations up through high school age.

I think that a fourth ref will have little or no effect. Good, highly trained refs are constantly putting themselves in a best-vantage point situation. The problem is players don’t always move logically. So anticipating angles and movement is designed to increase the odds of seeing the whole play, not guaranteed access. Moreover, refs divide the court into sections. A third of the half court is not a ton of area to cover, AND unless asked a good ref will NOT make a call in their partner’s territory.

I really don’t think refereeing is deteriorating. They’ve always missed calls and always will.I think that technology and reviews have allowed spectators on television to hyper-analyze so many calls.

• Keep reviews to 30 seconds/max 1 minute and  get the ball back in play and bouncing.
• Get rid of the unlimited referee-driven reviews in the last two minutes. In fact get rid of referee request reviews period. 
• Give each team two reviews for the game; maybe refund one if it’s successful. And that includes reviews for flagrant fouls.

In other words, reinforce that refereeing, even when exceptional, is an in exact science that has human error baked in. Stop highlighting potential referee errors. They are part of the game and are no more or less prevalent than before.

 

And, most importantly, ban the grab your nuts and pray charge.