Should we really care about players being "Creaned"?

[Banksyrules 5,239]

I'll admit I used to really hate when Coach Crean used to over sign.  Part of me ,despite what people say in this board, hated the fact that these kids would no longer be able to pursue and afford an education if their scholarships were taken away.   No matter what, in my view we are a educational institution. Granted most these kids "want to play in the NBA" and not have education as their main objective but that should never be a reason to justify cutting them loose.

 

But now through the University agreement, when a kid plays a year at IU they have a choice to finish their degree at IU. If they are now not given the option to play it's up to them if they want to finish their degrees.

 

It's all on the kids to make that decision for themselves.  Am I right here? Or am I missing something? Because if this is the case, I'm OK about it.  If Coach Crean wants to go by this system, it's fine. Coaches are judged by wins and losses, and if this is his method, we will see on the court if it pays off.   

[jmsgws 2,181]

I am glad the University is stepping up, and giving the kids a choice to stay at IU, or go elsewhere.

That being said:  I think the annual use of the oversign is a bad thing.  It certainly hasn't helped in building a balanced team, and quite frankly the last couple of recruiting classes, I don't think it has done anything to bring better players into the fold either.

[Bigdaddy76 111]

I personally think that what he does is terrible for recruiting. You think about it. A kid signs one year, then Crean oversigns the next and then the 1st kid is deemed expendable. Don't think for a minute that these other schools don't use that against us either. I see it happening every once in a while, but not EVERY SINGLE YEAR! Makes no sense.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Kid is offered a four year scholarship by IU and bolts early for the NBA or transfers as soon as he doesn't get the PT he wanted. Loyalty between players and program and vice versa has greatly decreased from what many of the older crowd are used to. This past year, there were over 500 transfers. It's a growing trend whether we like it or not, and it's not just happening at IU.

[Josh 12,859]

This is what it is.  This is Indiana basketball now.  It's changed a bunch over the last few coaches, and I bet it changes a ton for the next 100. 

[GloryDays 6,030]

I am glad the University is stepping up, and giving the kids a choice to stay at IU, or go elsewhere.

That being said:  I think the annual use of the oversign is a bad thing.  It certainly hasn't helped in building a balanced team, and quite frankly the last couple of recruiting classes, I don't think it has done anything to bring better players into the fold either.

   I hope it hasn't made the over sign more attractive to the staff but from the look of this recruiting cycle that may be the case.

[Steeler 86]

If a kid is in danger of being "Creaned", then we shouldn't have taken him aboard in the first place imo.

[GloryDays 6,030]

If a kid is in danger of being "Creaned", then we shouldn't have taken him aboard in the first place imo.

That's the one thing that drives me crazy about this.Why rush to fill every spot on the roster only to be left without room for a stud like Bryant.Makes no sense whatsoever to me.I really think it's used against us on the recruiting front.

But then I'm not getting 3 million a year to make those decisions.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

That's the one thing that drives me crazy about this.Why rush to fill every spot on the roster only to be left without room for a stud like Bryant.Makes no sense whatsoever to me.I really think it's used against us on the recruiting front.
But then I'm not getting 3 million a year to make those decisions.

Because you just can't count on landing one of the handful of stars that wait to sign in the spring. That's when you end up fishing for Kasongos. I can't imagine trying to recruit and manage a roster when there is so much inherent risk of decommitment/transfer nowadays

[TheWatShot 14,778]

This would be a non-issue if Crean managed a roster like any other Big Ten coach. 

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

I care about Creaning or whatever you want to call it because it keeps us from developing kids into experienced players and leads to unbalanced and young classes year after year.  All the new players this year should be the exception and not the norm---or we will not win at the rate that all of us want !

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Last year was the first year we had a truly young team after losing 4 1,000 point scorers and multiple 4 and 5 year players. This year we also have a younger team, but we also have a strong group with great experience. I think some of this is being blown out of proportion...

[VO5 8,338]

If the conference would just put the oversign limit to 1 these kinds of discussions would never even happen. Comon, BIG, seems like a pretty easy decision

[GloryDays 6,030]

Because you just can't count on landing one of the handful of stars that wait to sign in the spring. That's when you end up fishing for Kasongos. I can't imagine trying to recruit and manage a roster when there is so much inherent risk of decommitment/transfer nowadays

My only problem with that is most teams don't play 13 deep, and I doubt we will so why not let the Jeff Howard and Nate Ritchie's of the world man those two spots.

 Then when a star player becomes available late you don't have to kick a scholarship player to the curb to sign them.

I'm not trying to bash our coach, and I sure don't know what roster management gets in to but it does seem to be an area that becomes problematic for us more often than with other programs.

[Bowhunter 2,877]

My only problem with that is most teams don't play 13 deep, and I doubt we will so why not let the Jeff Howard and Nate Ritchie's of the world man those two spots.
Then when a star player becomes available late you don't have to kick a scholarship player to the curb to sign them.
I'm not trying to bash our coach, and I sure don't know what roster management gets in to but it does seem to be an area that becomes problematic for us more often than with other programs.

[Bowhunter 2,877]

This is exactly how I feel as well.

[jmsgws 2,181]

Last year was the first year we had a truly young team after losing 4 1,000 point scorers and multiple 4 and 5 year players. This year we also have a younger team, but we also have a strong group with great experience. I think some of this is being blown out of proportion...

Well we really won't know if anything is being blown out of proportion until the season is over, but pre-season rankings predict IU to finish 8 - 10th in the B1G.  

Certainly the experts aren't predicting this team to do anything special.  

When, supposedly, one of the best names in college basketball is signing kids that have been overlooked by every other major program, it tells me that something is wrong with recruiting, and we are using the oversign to do so.

I agree that the trend in college basketball is to have a lot of transfers, but Coach Crean is not consistently using the oversign to make sure there is room for a young man that will probably be a star.  He is using the oversign on kids that will play at best a minor role.  You need those role players, but to me the negative connotation outweighs any positives that are coming.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

Well we really won't know if anything is being blown out of proportion until the season is over, but pre-season rankings predict IU to finish 8 - 10th in the B1G.  

Certainly the experts aren't predicting this team to do anything special.  

When, supposedly, one of the best names in college basketball is signing kids that have been overlooked by every other major program, it tells me that something is wrong with recruiting, and we are using the oversign to do so.

I agree that the trend in college basketball is to have a lot of transfers, but Coach Crean is not consistently using the oversign to make sure there is room for a young man that will probably be a star.  He is using the oversign on kids that will play at best a minor role.  You need those role players, but to me the negative connotation outweighs any positives that are coming.

 

He didn't "crean" Hollowell, Jurkin and Etherington to bring in Priller, April and Holt. Those guys were't overisgns. They were brought in after the departures.

 

The current oversigns are Morgan and Anunoby, not quite kids who, at best, will play a minor role.

[Banksyrules 5,239]

He didn't "crean" Hollowell, Jurkin and Etherington to bring in Priller, April and Holt. Those guys were't overisgns. They were brought in after the departures.

The current oversigns are Morgan and Anunoby, not quite kids who, at best, will play a minor role.

I think he's claiming that priller and April may play minor roles and thus coach Crean should be more judicious with how he passes schollies.


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[Josh 12,859]

Every player that commits to IU basketball knows what they're getting into.   Every single one.  They see what's happened over the Crean tenure.  They've asked countless questions and the coaches have been very open about what committing to Indiana basketball means.

 

They've all accepted the circumstances by committing to play.  I swear it's just some fans that don't get it.  If the players know what they agreed to, why should outsiders complain when the plan works itself out?