Should we really care about players being "Creaned"?

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,549]

Those are all great things, and once again, I really liked Abell. But I said let's not put him on a pedestal as the solution to all of our problems last year. I'm sure he could have helped a bit.

I think the staff hoped Evan Gordon was going to be a better version of Abell. Just like they now think Zeisloft will be better than Etherington. Gordon/Abell was probably a wash. I thought that was a great move at the time. Thought it would help us then and in the future with Eron. Not sure it worked in either fashion.

I've been lead to believe that Z will be better than Etherington. And, boy, I hope so. :)

[MikeRoberts 7,085]

Those are all great things, and once again, I really liked Abell. But I said let's not put him on a pedestal as the solution to all of our problems last year. I'm sure he could have helped a bit.

it just makes no sense to bring a player in for 2 years, spend all that time and scholarship to teach and grow him to then say "goodbye, go have your best two years somewhere else" these guys that were our 6-8 players their sophomore years could likely be major contributors in many ways in year 3 and 4, they just aren't here any longer to do it. We saw what Creek added when he left and we will see Abel and Etherington too. These guys as juniors and seniors are more valuable than a lot of players we have as freshmen


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[MikeRoberts 7,085]

Am I supposed to remain loyal to those that left?

you can do whatever you like but it isn't right to think of them as disloyal as they came here, in most cases busted their butts hours a day and played their hearts out and at some point were told or figured out that wasn't enough. I have a lot of respect for those guys that came here and gave it their all everyday. Our recruits haven't done a fraction of that yet for this program. Anyone can sign a piece of paper, it's what you put in after that that counts with me


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[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

it just makes no sense to bring a player in for 2 years, spend all that time and scholarship to teach and grow him to then say "goodbye, go have your best two years somewhere else" these guys that were our 6-8 players their sophomore years could likely be major contributors in many ways in year 3 and 4, they just aren't here any longer to do it. We saw what Creek added when he left and we will see Abel and Etherington too. These guys as juniors and seniors are more valuable than a lot of players we have as freshmen


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I understand your point, but guys like Creek and Etherington will have to ability to succeed on much lesser teams where they can be the man. Here, they are the 8-10 man on the roster. When they transfer, they may jump to the starting line up. It's as much their decision as the staffs, and when they leave for PT, we have to fill their spot with freshman.

[Geometry Hoosier 1,151]

Overall, chasing more players just outside the top 100, as we've seen Crean doing a lot more of, is a better strategy for IU, in my opinion. Recruit players that are solid now, but have room to grow and who will need 3-4 year to reach their full potential. Players like Stan Robinson, Juwan Morgan, and OG are all players that fit that roster management strategy.

I think the fuss is about some players not getting the 3 or 4 years to reach their full potential.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

I think the fuss is about some players not getting the 3 or 4 years to reach their full potential.

Yes, and my point is these guys are choosing to leave. They want more PT than they're gonna get here, so they go elsewhere.

[GloryDays 5,923]

Who am I missing?? Recent transfers that is.....

Fisher, who was a major loss .Probably # 1

[BGleas 7,917]

If that's how it's going to play out, then recruiting these "outside the top 100" guys so they can develop is a bad strategy, not a good one. It only works if they're going to stay 4 years and realize their potential here. 

 

I think Zeisloft is the perfect example. It seems like he's a marginal talent, but will bring great leadership and intangibles, all great things and many people are excited for what he'll bring this season. But, let's be real, if Zeisloft came here as a freshmen he'd most likely be a guy we're claiming is a candidate to transfer, right? He'd most likely be an oversign victim. 

 

Yes, and my point is these guys are choosing to leave. They want more PT than they're gonna get here, so they go elsewhere.

[OliviaPope40 6,588]

I just cant understand why being critical means you aren't a loyal fan.Now I'm really done.

My apologies I agree with you that we should care.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

If that's how it's going to play out, then recruiting these "outside the top 100" guys so they can develop is a bad strategy, not a good one. It only works if they're going to stay 4 years and realize their potential here.

I think Zeisloft is the perfect example. It seems like he's a marginal talent, but will bring great leadership and intangibles, all great things and many people are excited for what he'll bring this season. But, let's be real, if Zeisloft came here as a freshmen he'd most likely be a guy we're claiming is a candidate to transfer, right? He'd most likely be an oversign victim.

The just outside top 100 guys are guys that actually have a shot at developing into something special. High school rankings don't mean a lot, but the players out past the top 200 are ranked there for a reason.

[BubbleKnuts 569]

What is this thread even about? Sorry, I just don't understand. I guess being "creaned" is better than being "caliparied"


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[WayneFleekHoosier 48,549]

#1Crean,

 

You've got a good point.  I think the 247 ratings system is a good one in that good players exist outside the top 100.  I think if you aren't ranked in the top 247 and are actually good, you are likely akin to Shaquille O'Neal in Blue Chips and in hiding.

 

However in saying all that, some people peak late, have injury problems, avoid AAU, foreign prospects.  These are some of the reasons that a good player may go mis-ranked. 

 

I will be curious to see how Holt and Hoetzel's careers go because they were both totally unranked and then bumped to 3 stars after signing with IU. 

 

My best example of a 2 star success story is Russdiculous.......   That kid being a 2 star, wow!!!!!!!!  I would take a team of 2 stars if they were russdiculous!!!!

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,549]

I guess I was wrong.  just looked it up.  247 had Russ as a composite 300 ranked player and a 3 star.  So did Rivals.  For some reason I thought he was unrated/2 star.

 

Anyway

[GloryDays 5,923]

I guess I was wrong.  just looked it up.  247 had Russ as a composite 300 ranked player and a 3 star.  So did Rivals.  For some reason I thought he was unrated/2 star.

 

Anyway

Your point is still valid though.That kid was grossly under ranked.Probably because he was so slight of build.

[KingPG21 6,587]

It's crazy how some will be so quick to rip a current player/one that transferred but will get so defensive over a kid that hasn't even played a game here. Hot new thing, yeah!!! Misplaced loyalty


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I don't see many if any ripping players. I do see you and schoosier jumping to conclusions as to what Etherington and Abell were going to be as players. Who the hell knows for sure what those two were going to be, Etherington for one you gave credit for being something on a bad team, which I disagree with still. The guy didn't really do much. Also, the the dude was obnoxious with his decision to pass up shot, after shot, after shot. Acting like this means nothing is dumb.

 

To the comments about Abell.... really? He had very few flashes of potential his freshman year, got off to a red hot start his sophomore year, then might as well of taken a sabbatical with how poorly he played in conference play. Where some of you come to the conclusion that he was going to turn into something else I don't get. Finally, I do find it a bit funny some of you were truly pissed about Abell even being here in the first place because he was a 2 star prospect. Yet now lets praise him

[KingPG21 6,587]

What is this thread even about? Sorry, I just don't understand. I guess being "creaned" is better than being "caliparied"


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Or Groced

[FortWayneHoosier 6,219]

it just makes no sense to bring a player in for 2 years, spend all that time and scholarship to teach and grow him to then say "goodbye, go have your best two years somewhere else" these guys that were our 6-8 players their sophomore years could likely be major contributors in many ways in year 3 and 4, they just aren't here any longer to do it. We saw what Creek added when he left and we will see Abel and Etherington too. These guys as juniors and seniors are more valuable than a lot of players we have as freshmen


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lol if you thnk any of those players you named were valuable you might have to look at stats and games they played 

[FortWayneHoosier 6,219]

I don't see many if any ripping players. I do see you and schoosier jumping to conclusions as to what Etherington and Abell were going to be as players. Who the hell knows for sure what those two were going to be, Etherington for one you gave credit for being something on a bad team, which I disagree with still. The guy didn't really do much. Also, the the dude was obnoxious with his decision to pass up shot, after shot, after shot. Acting like this means nothing is dumb.

 

To the comments about Abell.... really? He had very few flashes of potential his freshman year, got off to a red hot start his sophomore year, then might as well of taken a sabbatical with how poorly he played in conference play. Where some of you come to the conclusion that he was going to turn into something else I don't get. Finally, I do find it a bit funny some of you were truly pissed about Abell even being here in the first place because he was a 2 star prospect. Yet now lets praise him

i agree with you 10000 percent man, like people crying about all the guys that transferred, but all the players that did, were terrible. Ok maybe luke but we didnt even see much of him before he left so who knows how good he really would have been. 

[coonhounds 9,147]

I say lets not worry about creaning until somebody who gets creaned makes comments about how terrible iu and crean is for cutting them like there playing pro ball to my knowledge nobody has yet and unless crean is in the mob or threatening there life somehow I feel like they would b talking. Just a thought

[GloryDays 5,923]

My apologies I agree with you that we should care.

I wasn't referring to you. No apology needed.Just all the back and forth and getting nowhere.