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[Hoosier Guy]

29 minutes ago, BtownBanner6 said:

Problem with the pacers is they have nothing to offer. Unless they just pull a Brooklyn and give away their 3 years plays of future picks.

 

28 minutes ago, KingPG21 said:

Eh, they'd have to give up PG or Turner. PG for Butler would probably just be straight up, but why would the two franchises do that? And I don't really get giving up Turner who has gotten a good deal better from his rookie year. Unless the Bulls are as dumb as the Kings, I don't see it

Yeah I don't really like the thought of giving up Myles Turner. That dude is gonna be really good

[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

Regardless Pacers have to move PG. He has reiterated it enough he may not re sign after next season. I would wait till this offseason once the draft order is finalized. If they trade Turner than they are stupid. He is still very young and is their building block. A core of Turner, Jaylen Brown and Dennis Smith or Markelle Fultz even with a bunch of cap space is very enticing. They cant settle for continuing to be average. Either restart and build or continue to battle for 6-8 seeds and keep getting picks in the 15-22 range that equals role players.

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[HooHooHoo22]

Larry bird can quit and come coach the Hoosier :) jk I think


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[Hoosier Guy]

16 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

Regardless Pacers have to move PG. He has reiterated it enough he may not re sign after next season. I would wait till this offseason once the draft order is finalized. If they trade Turner than they are stupid. He is still very young and is their building block. A core of Turner, Jaylen Brown and Dennis Smith or Markelle Fultz even with a bunch of cap space is very enticing. They cant settle for continuing to be average. Either restart and build or continue to battle for 6-8 seeds and keep getting picks in the 15-22 range that equals role players.

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Larry Bird has to hit gold at this trade deadline. That is really the only way that PG even contemplates coming back to the Pacers. But yes I completely agree that Myles Turner should be untouchable. I wouldn't give up him or Jeff Teague

[Crimson and Cream]

7 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

 

The Kings are quite possibly the dumbest organization in sports (look out, Browns!) so using them as an example isn't really saying much. The difference with the Celtics is the sheer number of assets they have. If they want someone on the PG level, that team is going to make out better than the Cavs with Love or Kings just did. Avery Bradley is a role player and Rozier is a young role player. Those two plus an unknown commodity (top 3 pick) aren't going to get it done. And if it does I probably won't be a Pacers fan anymore because we will have gotten fleeced. You have to add one of Brown or Crowder to that trade at the very least.

 

 

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I disagree with Bradley being a role player, I think he's a very solid starter. 18 and 7 with top notch defense, there's a reason they haven't traded him the past few years even with a ton of interest. If Boston offered Brooklyn's pick (which is essentially guaranteed to be top 2), Bradley, and Crowder for PG I'd do that in a second without hesitation. You get 2 starters on very reasonable contracts locked in for two and three more years respectively as well as either Fultz/Ball (unless you like Josh Jackson more) who both have superstar projections. 

[Crimson and Cream]

3 hours ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

Regardless Pacers have to move PG. He has reiterated it enough he may not re sign after next season. I would wait till this offseason once the draft order is finalized. If they trade Turner than they are stupid. He is still very young and is their building block. A core of Turner, Jaylen Brown and Dennis Smith or Markelle Fultz even with a bunch of cap space is very enticing. They cant settle for continuing to be average. Either restart and build or continue to battle for 6-8 seeds and keep getting picks in the 15-22 range that equals role players.

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Why does it have to be rebuilding? Why can't it just be reloading? Trading PG may result in a pick but it's also likely going to result in other immediate talent, such as a trade with the Celtics that could include Bradley/Crowder. We can make this trade and still compete right away. Don't have to strip it all down and start again from square one.

[OliviaPope40]

The Pacers could have had a guy like Leonard had they not traded him for George Hill and it makes you wonder what the Pacers would have been like had they not traded him and the same could be said had Charlotte not traded Kobe on draft night to the Lakers. 

[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

Why does it have to be rebuilding? Why can't it just be reloading? Trading PG may result in a pick but it's also likely going to result in other immediate talent, such as a trade with the Celtics that could include Bradley/Crowder. We can make this trade and still compete right away. Don't have to strip it all down and start again from square one.

Why? Makes no sense to continue to be average and keep picking at end of lottery or later instead of higher to get more building blocks. It will make them compete for titles a lot sooner than your route and allows you to play your young guys more minutes to see what you have. Btw Clippers-Celtics are talking Blake Griffin. Proposed trade would be Jae Crowder, Marcus Smart and Avery Bradley and MAYBE a pick from them not Nets in 2019 or 2020. Like I said the Celtics will NOT give up Crowder, Brown, Bradley and their pick this year for anyone. That is way to much. AD maybe the only guy worth more than most because he is signed for so long. You lose value regardless if the player isnt fully committed to the franchise which PG is not as well as Butler. Blake can hit FA after next year as well.

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[KingPG21]

1 hour ago, Crimson and Cream said:

I disagree with Bradley being a role player, I think he's a very solid starter. 18 and 7 with top notch defense, there's a reason they haven't traded him the past few years even with a ton of interest. If Boston offered Brooklyn's pick (which is essentially guaranteed to be top 2), Bradley, and Crowder for PG I'd do that in a second without hesitation. You get 2 starters on very reasonable contracts locked in for two and three more years respectively as well as either Fultz/Ball (unless you like Josh Jackson more) who both have superstar projections. 

Give me Jackson, Issac, or Smith Jr. every day of the week before Ball. His lack of elite athleticism isn't going to do anything but hinder him in the NBA. I get why he is so highly projected, but I don't see the upside that you see with Fultz or the other guys. Jackson is already making plays all over the place and has amazing athleticism. Dude is gonna be tons of fun to watch

[Hovadipo]

I disagree with Bradley being a role player, I think he's a very solid starter. 18 and 7 with top notch defense, there's a reason they haven't traded him the past few years even with a ton of interest. If Boston offered Brooklyn's pick (which is essentially guaranteed to be top 2), Bradley, and Crowder for PG I'd do that in a second without hesitation. You get 2 starters on very reasonable contracts locked in for two and three more years respectively as well as either Fultz/Ball (unless you like Josh Jackson more) who both have superstar projections. 

I wasn't trying to discredit Bradley at all. I think he's awesome, but he's just what I think of as a role player. Not a superstar, not a scrub, just really solid night in and night out. Maybe that isn't a role player, but my overall point was him coupled with Rozier and the pick for PG would screw the Pacers. Like you said, I'd need Crowder in there for sure at least.


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[IUfan_Charlie]

16 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

 

I wasn't trying to discredit Bradley at all. I think he's awesome, but he's just what I think of as a role player. Not a superstar, not a scrub, just really solid night in and night out. Maybe that isn't a role player, but my overall point was him coupled with Rozier and the pick for PG would screw the Pacers. Like you said, I'd need Crowder in there for sure at least.


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Avery Bradley is really good, but he's a 3rd option on a contending team imo. I just don't think the Pacers would give PG to Boston without Brown. Crowder is also a good player, but I think his ceiling is a 15 ppg guy. Jaylen Brown is 20 with a ton of potential. 

[IUfan_Charlie]

1 hour ago, OliviaPope40 said:

The Pacers could have had a guy like Leonard had they not traded him for George Hill and it makes you wonder what the Pacers would have been like had they not traded him and the same could be said had Charlotte not traded Kobe on draft night to the Lakers. 

Can't believe people still bring up the Kawhi and Pacers argument. The Pacers drafted him for the Spurs to trade for Hill. If the Pacers didn't trade that pick they would've taken somebody else because they already had Granger coming off a 20ppg season and Paul George. They needed a PG not another SF. 

[Brass Cannon]

1 hour ago, IUfan_Charlie said:

Can't believe people still bring up the Kawhi and Pacers argument. The Pacers drafted him for the Spurs to trade for Hill. If the Pacers didn't trade that pick they would've taken somebody else because they already had Granger coming off a 20ppg season and Paul George. They needed a PG not another SF. 

Yeah although it's a pretty good argument for drafting the best player available then trade for needs. 

 

[Trish]

Great day for my Lakers, we are finally on the path to greatness. 

 

Pacers are interestd in Jahlil Okafor. That would be a really really bad move. 

[HooHooHoo22]

Maybe melo will go to the Celtics [emoji256]


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[Dalton26]

I don't think the Celtics would be that dumb.

[HoosierAloha]

Could we (IU) trade Crean, Bryant, OG, JBJ, and a crap ton of cash for Stevens?

ESPN Grades for trade
IU: A+
Boston: F-

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Could we (IU) trade Crean, Bryant, OG, JBJ, and a crap ton of cash for Stevens?

ESPN Grades for trade
IU: A+
Boston: F-

LMAO. You win the day.


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[KingPG21]

Can someone bring up an instance in the NBA where blowing it up actually worked in the NBA? The Magic have been garbage since they traded Dwight, they're the most recent example. Blowing it up in the NBA doesn't work, this isn't NBA 2K. 

[HoosierAloha]

LMAO. You win the day.


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Humor is all I have to keep from curling up in a fetal position and balling my eyes out over this situation.

To stay on topic, interesting what Vlade had to say about passing on a better deal. The players have so much power in the NBA that they can screw coaches and franchises.