Let’s talk Roster! 2026/2027

[Stuhoo]

36 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

For the whole season, he was 60 of 158, which is 0.380.

In a 4 game stretch he went: 4/9, 6/10, 4/9, 6/15. All 40% or greater. 

If those are excluded, his totals become 40/115, which is 0.348.

Not buying that logic. Those games counted and were largely wins. That’s good!

It’s the non-catch and shoot stuff that makes me feel moving on from Dorn was a fine idea.

[BGleas]

7 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Not buying that logic. Those games counted and were largely wins. That’s good!

It’s the non-catch and shoot stuff that makes me feel moving on from Dorn was a fine idea.

It's my bad. I started the convo on asking what Dorn's numbers were if you take out that 3-4 game heater he had. 

Completely agree that its totally unfair to Dorn to do that. 

But yeah, I just think he's so limited. Would have been fine keeping as a 8th-10th guy in the rotation for experience and culture and some situational stuff, but my opinion is that he is not a starter on a good Big Ten team. 

I don't know that Harris is either, but I'd take my chances with his upside given how well thought of he was. 

[go iu bb]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Not buying that logic. Those games counted and were largely wins. That’s good!

It’s the non-catch and shoot stuff that makes me feel moving on from Dorn was a fine idea.

That's fine, I was just answering a question.

I don't really have a take on the Dorn/Harris debate. Right now, neither impresses me much. In general, I'm not very excited about next basketball season. I am looking forward to football, though.

[Stuhoo]

22 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

That's fine, I was just answering a question.

I don't really have a take on the Dorn/Harris debate. Right now, neither impresses me much. In general, I'm not very excited about next basketball season. I am looking forward to football, though.

I guess I’m with @HoosierHoopster

in that I’m happier with a dice roll shooter than with the known quantity of Dorn.

[AH1971]

12 hours ago, BGleas said:

I know this isn't necessarily fair to Dorn, but I wonder what those shooting numbers are if you take out his 3-game heater? 

I also wonder what Harris can bring beyond. I'm not trying to hate on Dorn, but he did very little beyond streaky shooting. 

If Harris can defend better, has some handling or creating he can provide, etc., he could upgrade in other areas. I don't know if he can do those things, but from what I saw from Dorn he can't. 

From a production standpoint, Harris isn’t likely to surpass Dorn from last year and you’re likely paying Harris 2-3x the amount you could have paid Dorn. When you’re operating on a budget and need to fill as many holes as IU did this offseason, every dollar counts.

If Harris can average 10-11 off the bench and shoot from the perimeter at a clip similar to Dorn, I’ll shut up. But more likely than not, Harris is going to put up production numbers similar to Dorn but at a significantly higher cost. 

[wirenuts]

I would bank that Harris will have a better year just for the reason that indiana has a much better PF, C combo than they had last year, which is going to open up the floor. In theory anyways

[AH1971]

7 hours ago, wirenuts said:

I would bank that Harris will have a better year just for the reason that indiana has a much better PF, C combo than they had last year, which is going to open up the floor. In theory anyways

Wouldn’t that in theory also apply to Dorn? IU lacked a consistent 2nd scoring option all year behind Wilkerson. After Dorn went on a little heater in late January, teams treated him as such, and he struggled. Dorn would never be more than a 4th/5th option in almost any combination lineup next year. 8 points on 38% volume 3 point shooting for your 5th starter isn’t bad, especially when he’s only commanding $500-750k. 
 

What level of production do you need to see from Harris to justify paying 7 figures?

[BGleas]

10 hours ago, AH1971 said:

From a production standpoint, Harris isn’t likely to surpass Dorn from last year and you’re likely paying Harris 2-3x the amount you could have paid Dorn. When you’re operating on a budget and need to fill as many holes as IU did this offseason, every dollar counts.

If Harris can average 10-11 off the bench and shoot from the perimeter at a clip similar to Dorn, I’ll shut up. But more likely than not, Harris is going to put up production numbers similar to Dorn but at a significantly higher cost. 

Yeah, I'm with you on what maybe else could have been done with that money. Split between two other guys, etc.?

Just not with you on Dorn. Dorn was pretty bad last year. We don't know what Harris will be, completely agree there, but I can't imagine him being worse than Dorn outside of that 3-4 game heater. 

[AH1971]

7 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Yeah, I'm with you on what maybe else could have been done with that money. Split between two other guys, etc.?

Just not with you on Dorn. Dorn was pretty bad last year. We don't know what Harris will be, completely agree there, but I can't imagine him being worse than Dorn outside of that 3-4 game heater. 

He was 8 ppg 38% shooter on volume last year. It all counts. That’s more than practical for a 5th starter that plays a little over 20 mpg. Harris is going to need to far exceed that as a 6th man to justify paying 7+ figures. Dorn and someone like Del Jones probably cost similar to what IU paid Harris. Thats a ton more bang for your buck.

[CSP]

Dorn is god a** awful 

We have zero clue what we're paying Harris. 

[BGleas]

3 hours ago, AH1971 said:

He was 8 ppg 38% shooter on volume last year. It all counts. That’s more than practical for a 5th starter that plays a little over 20 mpg. Harris is going to need to far exceed that as a 6th man to justify paying 7+ figures. Dorn and someone like Del Jones probably cost similar to what IU paid Harris. Thats a ton more bang for your buck.

Out of the 9 rotation guys (it was really 8 but let's count both Sisley and Miles) Dorn  was 6th in offensive rating and 9th in defensive rating. 

He was bad last season and is not a Big Ten level starter on a good team, let alone a bad one. 

I'm not saying I know what Harris will be, but Dorn was the last returner I wanted us to bring back. 

[AH1971]

2 hours ago, CSP said:

Dorn is god a** awful 

We have zero clue what we're paying Harris. 

If we ran out of money after 6 players, we paid Harris a lot. There’s no other explanation for such a poorly constructed roster.

[Home Jersey]

11 hours ago, wirenuts said:

I would bank that Harris will have a better year just for the reason that indiana has a much better PF, C combo than they had last year, which is going to open up the floor. In theory anyways

Are they better than Cam Boozer and Patrick Ngongba? Because that's who Harris played with when he shot 33% from 3 in 9.7mpg last year. 

[ronzo4IU]

41 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

If we ran out of money after 6 players, we paid Harris a lot. There’s no other explanation for such a poorly constructed roster.

I thought we hired a GM for scouting services?  

Hopefully they noticed something about his game they think will surpass Dorn, maybe defense, IQ, higher ceiling in the long run?  
We’ll see I guess.

[Home Jersey]

Jai Lucas must have seen something about Dorn that he thought he could work with. He saw Duke plenty too.

Dorn and Harris are pretty much both athletically limited with one primary skillset of shooting. Dorn is more proven than Harris at that skill. Maybe he can show more with more PT though

[CSP]

I mean.. Dukes 9th man vs whatever Dorn was for us 

The gawking of Dorn is wild. 

[HoosierHoopster]

14 hours ago, AH1971 said:

From a production standpoint, Harris isn’t likely to surpass Dorn from last year and you’re likely paying Harris 2-3x the amount you could have paid Dorn. When you’re operating on a budget and need to fill as many holes as IU did this offseason, every dollar counts.

If Harris can average 10-11 off the bench and shoot from the perimeter at a clip similar to Dorn, I’ll shut up. But more likely than not, Harris is going to put up production numbers similar to Dorn but at a significantly higher cost. 

You have no way of knowing that, which is the point. Harris came to Duke as an elite shooter but didn’t play enough to know what he’s going to bring production wise to IU, that’s the roll of the dice. Dorn did not do well or score enough to think he should play good minutes, that’s over an entire season under DeVries.

[Home Jersey]

6 minutes ago, CSP said:

I mean.. Dukes 9th man vs whatever Dorn was for us 

The gawking of Dorn is wild. 

Is it gawking to post stats and say the name of the coach at another P5 conference school that took him out of the portal? Lolol

People want to discount the 3 game hot streak Dorn had yet we don't win those games without him. Just another fact. Sorry for "gawking" with facts you don't like lol 

[ronzo4IU]

12 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Jai Lucas must have seen something about Dorn that he thought he could work with. He saw Duke plenty too.

Dorn and Harris are pretty much both athletically limited with one primary skillset of shooting. Dorn is more proven than Harris at that skill. Maybe he can show more with more PT though

I need to watch more Harris highlights. 
Harris top 40 prospect…Dorn unranked out of HS.

[Home Jersey]

Just now, ronzo4IU said:

I need to watch more Harris highlights. 
Harris top 40 prospect…Dorn unranked out of HS.

I am not even saying one is better than the other. It's just a fact one is more proven at their primary skillset of shooting right now. I'm simply saying, it's a valid question at this point and we will have to see if the staff did better scouting this year than last