How is Darian DeVries Doing So Far?

[Golfman25]

47 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

The unlimited transfer portal had been around 3 years before Hurley won his first tournament game, so spare me this idea that Hurley suddenly got good because of that. He was given time, years actually (not 20 games), to stack recruiting classes and develop his guys while at the same time properly assessing his staff and making the necessary changes. 
 

Todd Golden would be a more appropriate example in this current climate but that ruins all narratives that one year turnarounds need to be demanded.

Then use him for your argument 

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

Then use him for your argument 

It’s the same argument. Only an idiot would fire a coach after 20 games. It’s nonsensical lol.

[Stuhoo]

14 minutes ago, Josh said:

Is it?  Doc Counsilman, Jerry Yeagley, and Bob Knight all disagree with you.  Me too.

You're so distracted by outside events that you're overlooking basketball results.  Good for you on admitting it, but please realize that others can give individual focus 

Look at it this way; if I’m having breakfast at a place with an all-you-can-eat custom omelette station, I’m not gonna complain if the pancakes are good but not great.

So if IU is that breakfast buffet? Football is the omelette station and basketball is the pancakes.

[Golfman25]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

It’s the same argument. Only an idiot would fire a coach after 20 games. It’s nonsensical lol.

Ok cool.  Doesn’t me we can talk about deficiencies we see.  Doesn’t mean expectations of a tournament birth are over the top.   

[AH1971]

2 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Ok cool.  Doesn’t me we can talk about deficiencies we see.  Doesn’t mean expectations of a tournament birth are over the top.   

Who said they weren’t? 

[Josh]

10 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

It’s the same argument. Only an idiot would fire a coach after 20 games. It’s nonsensical lol.

Calling people idiots!  The slow learners way.

[Josh]

10 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Look at it this way; if I’m having breakfast at a place with an all-you-can-eat custom omelette station, I’m not gonna complain if the pancakes are good but not great.

So if IU is that breakfast buffet? Football is the omelette station and basketball is the pancakes.

That's one way to excuse bad pancakes.  Other things are good so overlook the deficiencies. 

I see things differently.  Don't accept the deficiencies...ever.  That's lowering standards and leading to complacency and poor results.

But that's you.  Be you.

Heck, maybe the bad pancakes will turn themselves into Dan Hurley somehow!  Might as well let them fester until they do.

[Uspshoosier]

5 minutes ago, Josh said:

I see things differently.  Don't accept the deficiencies...ever

That’s got be a rough 20 + years of watching IU basketball for you.    The fact you are still here watching them and giving your time to a message board about them is dedication.   I hope for your sake IU gets back to a point to where they don’t have as many deficiencies as they have had the last 2 decades plus.  Here is to hoping DeVries can be the one who will do it and if not let’s hope the next coach puts an end to the misery 

[Josh]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

That’s got be a rough 20 + years of watching IU basketball for you.    The fact you are still here watching them and giving your time to a message board about them is dedication.   I hope for your sake IU gets back to a point to where they don’t have as many deficiencies as they have had the last 2 decades plus.  Here is to hoping DeVries can be the one who will do it and if not let’s hope the next coach puts an end to the misery 

Haha thanks!  Honestly IU basketball used to be appointment television but now I watch it around my life instead.  I try to act like I'm not passionate about them but I suppose I still am.  It kills me when posters claim that this is as good as it gets.  That's such a loser's mentality. 

I want success as badly as anybody.  I just don't see it in this guy.

[Shooter]

24 minutes ago, Josh said:

Haha thanks!  Honestly IU basketball used to be appointment television but now I watch it around my life instead.  I try to act like I'm not passionate about them but I suppose I still am.  It kills me when posters claim that this is as good as it gets.  That's such a loser's mentality. 

I want success as badly as anybody.  I just don't see it in this guy.

Right now we are projected to make the tourney as a 9 seed or so. There is a big difference between "this is as good as it gets" and "this is acceptable for a new coach in year 1".

[Uspshoosier]

22 minutes ago, Josh said:

I want success as badly as anybody.  I just don't see it in this guy.

I want success as well.  I think IU has dug itself a hole that’s going to be harder than some think.   Yes with NIL and the transfer portal it can make things easier but it’s not guarantee it will.   A couple things make this sting even more then it should and when an IU grad and manger takes a mid major to a final 4 and the administration holds onto a coach 1 year longer then they should to hire the coach and he goes to an in conference team and is killing it in back to back years that hurts.  IU needed to make up for the Archie hire (who at the time of the hire I was one that though he would work out )and they hire a coach with 0 college coaching experience.  IU couldn’t get out of their own way.   No one in the college basketball landscape thought IU was serious with that hire and I would guess 80 percent of ius own fan base thought the same thing.  Having back to back coaching hires where in reality the program didn’t move forward was bound to leave a stain.  Sure there was some bright spots but overall the program was stuck in the same mud they were in at the end of the Crean era.   At least this time they hired a guy that sat on the bench of 2 really good college coaches and had success at the lower level first and looked to improve on that and was competing in his  1st Power 5 job.   The Archie hire will make any IU fan gun shy on any hire IU was going to make that wasn’t a sure fire thing.   Those coaches really don’t move anymore.  I have no clue if devries is the guy or not but from my years of watching him at Drake and watching him beat Arizona, Gonzaga and at Kansas all in the same year gave me hope after  watching  IUs last coaches lose to these programs by 20 + in the last couple years and be non competitive.  If he could do that in his first year at West Virginia of all places why couldn’t he do that at IU?   I don’t think he will be another Archie but I can’t guarantee he will be the next Hurley.  All I can do is do what I do for every new coach and sunshine pump the heck out of him and hope what I saw in watching him have success over the last couple years carries over to IUs program. 

[Golfman25]

5 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

I want success as well.  I think IU has dug itself a hole that’s going to be harder than some think.   Yes with NIL and the transfer portal it can make things easier but it’s not guarantee it will.   A couple things make this sting even more then it should and when an IU grad and manger takes a mid major to a final 4 and the administration holds onto a coach 1 year longer then they should to hire the coach and he goes to an in conference team and is killing it in back to back years that hurts.  IU needed to make up for the Archie hire (who at the time of the hire I was one that though he would work out )and they hire a coach with 0 college coaching experience.  IU couldn’t get out of their own way.   No one in the college basketball landscape thought IU was serious with that hire and I would guess 80 percent of ius own fan base thought the same thing.  Having back to back coaching hires where in reality the program didn’t move forward was bound to leave a stain.  Sure there was some bright spots but overall the program was stuck in the same mud they were in at the end of the Crean era.   At least this time they hired a guy that sat on the bench of 2 really good college coaches and had success at the lower level first and looked to improve on that and was competing in his  1st Power 5 job.   The Archie hire will make any IU fan gun shy on any hire IU was going to make that wasn’t a sure fire thing.   Those coaches really don’t move anymore.  I have no clue if devries is the guy or not but from my years of watching him at Drake and watching him beat Arizona, Gonzaga and at Kansas all in the same year gave me hope after  watching  IUs last coaches lose to these programs by 20 + in the last couple years and be non competitive.  If he could do that in his first year at West Virginia of all places why couldn’t he do that at IU?   I don’t think he will be another Archie but I can’t guarantee he will be the next Hurley.  All I can do is do what I do for every new coach and sunshine pump the heck out of him and hope what I saw in watching him have success over the last couple years carries over to IUs program. 

So can we just set it to the “Todd Golden Standard” — banner #6 by year three?  Otherwise gone, so we don’t have to suffer another “yeat four?”   :)

[Uspshoosier]

9 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

So can we just set it to the “Todd Golden Standard” — banner #6 by year three?  Otherwise gone, so we don’t have to suffer another “yeat four?”   :)

Hopefully it’s rolling by year 2 and we don’t sweat year 4 

[HinnyHoosier]

I only went back 2 pages due to the monotony. I just came to see if the powers of the firing threads think we still need the firing thread if we make the Tournament. 

[Golfman25]

2 hours ago, HinnyHoosier said:

I only went back 2 pages due to the monotony. I just came to see if the powers of the firing threads think we still need the firing thread if we make the Tournament. 

Make the tournament and all arrows are pointing up.  Especially with this flawed roster.  Return Dorn, Miles and Sisley. Add the incoming HS players, and fill out the roster with some key portal additions.  We’ll be cooking with gas.  

[str8baller]

34 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Make the tournament and all arrows are pointing up.  Especially with this flawed roster.  Return Dorn, Miles and Sisley. Add the incoming HS players, and fill out the roster with some key portal additions.  We’ll be cooking with gas.  

Miles and Sisley are currently part of pretty poor bench rotation and neither can find consistent minutes. With that said, they are young and athletic, and we all think show promise and should be at least quality rotation guys next year.  Dorn looks to be a solid consistent starter returning (maybe more). Non-5 star freshman are always question marks.  
 

Really, Devries needs to successfully navigate the portal again this spring to have a chance at making the tourney next year.* That’s part of the reason this thread is here. And next year he hopefully does it with some non-seniors so he can build out and make serious runs in year 3 and 4.  One or more of our recruits will also likely have to be good enough to start for an elite team as at least sophomores. 
 

With all the talk of Hurley and Golden that’s basically what they did. And their first unsuccessful years were spent building those rosters. 
 

*(people get a little testy when you make comparisons to May, but I guess he’s an example of a guy who has hit the portal two years in a row, almost exclusively, to build a championship caliber team. So it’s possible Devries can do it as early as next year with 4 new starters but I don’t think even our most zealous fans are using that as an expectation)

[IU Prof]

Just spent the last 15 minutes catching up on the last 5 pages or so of this thread. Wish I hadn't...

[Pagoda]

Reading this thread, it's worth noting no one on this board has any influence over IUBB.  Perhaps this will come off as harsh, but posters' expectations/standards (high or low) and feelings (good or bad) do not have any real world impact on IUBB.

Unless someone is a serious booster, IUBB and IU athletics is basically take or leave it.  There are only two options: (1) watch, and enjoy or be frustrated, or (2) don't watch.  There is no option (3) where a message board poster sets the standard.

This place is purely for fan entertainment.  Discussing and debating is fun, as sharing in the experience of success and failure.  But this place has zilch real world influence.

So, it makes sense to debate CDD, that's very interesting.  But if someone is enjoying IU athletics because we dominated the college sport that by far matters the most (CFB is 4-5x larger than CBB) while our bball program is just "okay," I don't see why it's worth getting upset over that, because again, no one here has any influence over anything in real world IU athletics.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

2 hours ago, Pagoda said:

Reading this thread, it's worth noting no one on this board has any influence over IUBB.  Perhaps this will come off as harsh, but posters' expectations/standards (high or low) and feelings (good or bad) do not have any real world impact on IUBB.

Unless someone is a serious booster, IUBB and IU athletics is basically take or leave it.  There are only two options: (1) watch, and enjoy or be frustrated, or (2) don't watch.  There is no option (3) where a message board poster sets the standard.

This place is purely for fan entertainment.  Discussing and debating is fun, as sharing in the experience of success and failure.  But this place has zilch real world influence.

So, it makes sense to debate CDD, that's very interesting.  But if someone is enjoying IU athletics because we dominated the college sport that by far matters the most (CFB is 4-5x larger than CBB) while our bball program is just "okay," I don't see why it's worth getting upset over that, because again, no one here has any influence over anything in real world IU athletics.

Mostly true but not entirely. 
 

For the record I just wanted DeVries to make the tournament, show some optimism, and have a building block season.  2 weeks ago, that didn’t appear to be the case and year 2 and the tenure gets more difficult. But now, we are on pace to achieve minimum expectations which should help his cause to build. 
 

BUT, saying message boards, X, Facebook have no real world effect just isn’t true.  The vibes of the program are measured through attendance and online discourse. It’s one of the things the AD monitors. 
 

HOWEVER, 1 year is never gonna be a measuring stick to fire a new hire without something in the background.  2 years might be if results are terrible.  So yeah, this is a venting session for sure and thankfully it seems we can quell it a little bit.  

Edited February 8 by WayneFleekHoosier

[Pagoda]

26 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Mostly true but not entirely. 
 

For the record I just wanted DeVries to make the tournament, show some optimism, and be a have a building block season.  2 weeks ago, that didn’t appear to be the case and year 2 and the tenure gets more difficult. But now, we are on pace to achieve minimum expectations which should help his cause to build. 
 

BUT, saying message boards, X, Facebook have no real world effect just isn’t true.  The vibes of the program are measured through attendance and online discourse. It’s one of the things the AD monitors. 
 

HOWEVER, 1 year is never gonna be a measuring stick to fire a new hire without something in the background.  2 years might be if results are terrible.  So yeah, this is a venting session for sure and thankfully it seems we can quell it a little bit.  

I get your point, but I’d argue the program controls the vibes (and the revenue) via the results.

A fanbase can “want it” badly and have high expectations, but it just doesn’t matter much, because the actions of the program (hiring, recruiting, coaching) are going to vastly outweigh whatever the fans do or want.  And not all fans are equal, we’ve got probably about 10 to 20 donors who materially impact our athletic dept revenue.

But, I’m still happy doing my part of going to games and donating what I know is a de minimis amount.  That’s all I can do and I enjoy it, so it’s all good.