Chris Beard - Coaching Candidate

[Hornsby 3,367]

Whoever hires McCollum is getting Bo Ryan 2.0. Ryan won 82% of his games at WI-Platteville and four DIII national titles. He was at Milwaukee for two seasons before WI hired him, after at least two candidates turned them down. The rest is history. 

If he is the sure thing you say he is why haven't big name colleges been knocking at his door the last three or four years. Sure things don't happen often so I would have thought he would be getting offers left and right

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[Ryno6284 3,692]

4 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Well that is true there were probably lots of quality candidates the last two hires as well. Hopefully we are over flavors of the month and former players

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I don't know what the hell happened last time, but I didn't think Archie would flop like he did.

Here is to the future brother!

[MikeRoberts 7,722]

I can’t understate the “WANT” factor when it comes to Beard. He wants the big gig, he wants to be at IU. 
When hiring people I have had people beg me for jobs and I’ve begged people to take the job, the latter rarely works out. If you have to sell someone that hard it likely isn’t the fit you want it to be.

i want someone that will be grateful to be here and wake up every morning feeling indebted vs owed

[Motley's 356]

1 hour ago, Hornsby said:

If he is the sure thing you say he is why haven't big name colleges been knocking at his door the last three or four years. Sure things don't happen often so I would have thought he would be getting offers left and right

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Nothings a sure thing. 

“Ben has had numerous other opportunities to become a Division I head coach over the past few years,” Hardin (Drake AD) said. “But he waited for this position to open. He didn’t want to just be any Division I head coach. He wanted to be the Drake head coach. And that matters. That matters and it’s why he’s a tremendous fit for our campus and for our community.”

[Hornsby 3,367]

Nothings a sure thing. 
“Ben has had numerous other opportunities to become a Division I head coach over the past few years,” Hardin (Drake AD) said. “But he waited for this position to open. He didn’t want to just be any Division I head coach. He wanted to be the Drake head coach. And that matters. That matters and it’s why he’s a tremendous fit for our campus and for our community.”

Correct there is no sure thing and we have to get this hire right and win right away. If dolson wants to bet it all on a guy with one year of d1 experience that's all on him but it's a massive risk imo.

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[Motley's 356]

3 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Correct there is no sure thing and we have to get this hire right and win right away. If dolson wants to bet it all on a guy with one year of d1 experience that's all on him but it's a massive risk imo.

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It would be a big risk. He’s not my first choice. But of the coaches who’d likely leave their current gig, I’d rather take a chance on him than Brownell

[BA47591 522]

I have been surprised how heated the Beard discussions have gotten. It's been social exercise of sorts hasn't it? 

I've done some self-reflection.  I identify with Beard because we are similar in age. I coached. I was an established drinker, and it earned me night in jail. I had a girlfriend that lived with me that I absolutely wanted to choke the pi55 out of before I could rid of her. Thank Jesus all the tumblers never lined up at the wrong time. I've never harmed a woman before, but it could've happened. 

Chris Beard has definitely struck a chord. 

Where's everybody at on Abortion? Lol

 

 

[MikeRoberts 7,722]

19 minutes ago, BA47591 said:

I have been surprised how heated the Beard discussions have gotten. It's been social exercise of sorts hasn't it? 

I've done some self-reflection.  I identify with Beard because we are similar in age. I coached. I was an established drinker, and it earned me night in jail. I had a girlfriend that lived with me that I absolutely wanted to choke the pi55 out of before I could rid of her. Thank Jesus all the tumblers never lined up at the wrong time. I've never harmed a woman before, but it could've happened. 

Chris Beard has definitely struck a chord. 

Where's everybody at on Abortion? Lol

 

 

That takes a lot to admit. Kudos to you for the self reflection and honesty.

i don’t condone violence and despise what he did but also believe that god and the law are to sort that out, not me.

Purely as a basketball coach I would be thrilled to have him

[JaybobHoosier 12,556]

For me, if IU hires Beard, then I will support that decision. I doubt it happens, but will support it because I feel the administration did their homework and feel comfortable with the hire. See how everything shakes out.

[WayneFleekHoosier 50,072]

For me, if IU hires Beard, then I will support that decision. I doubt it happens, but will support it because I feel the administration did their homework and feel comfortable with the hire. See how everything shakes out.

Same. I’d lowkey be stoked about it if he’s a changed man and really wants the job.

2 things. Indiana basketball could be better off and maybe Chris Beard could be a renewed better man who has really learned a necessary lesson. Maybe.


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[rcbowla 7,779]

2 hours ago, BA47591 said:

I have been surprised how heated the Beard discussions have gotten. It's been social exercise of sorts hasn't it? 

I've done some self-reflection.  I identify with Beard because we are similar in age. I coached. I was an established drinker, and it earned me night in jail. I had a girlfriend that lived with me that I absolutely wanted to choke the pi55 out of before I could rid of her. Thank Jesus all the tumblers never lined up at the wrong time. I've never harmed a woman before, but it could've happened. 

Chris Beard has definitely struck a chord. 

Where's everybody at on Abortion? Lol

 

 

When this whole thing came up I posted my close to home moment. I had an ex that went absolutely psychopath on me. Started punching me, throwing **** etc. I had to restrain her by wrapping her up and holding her arms in place. I probably used more of my strength than necessary, presumably adrelanine in the moment, until she calmed down. Afterwards she had "evidence" of me restraining her on her upper arms. Had an officer investigated they probably would have said I was guilty of something. Not at all true and she did finally calm down, apologized to me and thanked me for having the patience I did. Left her at that moment and never spoke to her again. Things can get out of hand and men will always be guilty immediately even if all they did was protect themselves. I'm living proof that there's more to the story than on the surface. I'm sure I'll be called a POS now but when things like this come up I always remember my circumstances. 

[rcbowla 7,779]

Also I am now happily married (most of the time) with 2 daughters. I have never and will never harm a woman intentionally. I also would kill a mf'er that did so to my daughters. It's a very strange circumstance to be in when something goes awry and the worst comes out of someone though.

[str8baller 6,627]

6 hours ago, JaybobHoosier said:

For me, if IU hires Beard, then I will support that decision. I doubt it happens, but will support it because I feel the administration did their homework and feel comfortable with the hire. See how everything shakes out.

After the last 25 years I could never put that much confidence in the IU administration. I’d just pray he doesn’t melt the whole program down like Sampson. 

[OKHOOSIER 5,274]

9 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

I can’t understate the “WANT” factor when it comes to Beard. He wants the big gig, he wants to be at IU. 
When hiring people I have had people beg me for jobs and I’ve begged people to take the job, the latter rarely works out. If you have to sell someone that hard it likely isn’t the fit you want it to be.

i want someone that will be grateful to be here and wake up every morning feeling indebted vs owed

I have tried to find some middle ground on Beard which has mostly been ignored by the pro crowd, but two things stick out for me this being the big one. Now, I am not convinced IU is particularly special to him beyond some affinity for RMK, and I think he just wants another shot at the mountain top.

That said, I do think he would stay as long as IU would have him which is a good thing, and not having to beg someone like BS or SD or TJO to come save IU from basketball mediocrity means something to me. In a vacuum it probably speaks to all of us who still believe IU basketball is special, and a place coaches should be crawling to (whether or not this is still true).  I agree with you I think he would feel a debt to IU that could only be repaid by success and keeping his nose clean. That's not nothing. 

The second, and this is where I would have to trust Dolson and Beard's sense of self preservation is that he would never get another shot at a marquee (maybe any P5) job if he messed this one up. I would be surprised if he made another mistake (not relitigating it, it was a mistake no matter what anyone believes actually happened). Now whether Dolson and company are willing to risk their careers on the potential of him imploding under the stress I have no idea. My sense is they would not unless we got turned down by several people, but I as I have stated at this point I am willing to trust Dolson despite my personal misgivings. Cheers.

[IUBtown 317]

6 hours ago, rcbowla said:

When this whole thing came up I posted my close to home moment. I had an ex that went absolutely psychopath on me. Started punching me, throwing **** etc. I had to restrain her by wrapping her up and holding her arms in place. I probably used more of my strength than necessary, presumably adrelanine in the moment, until she calmed down. Afterwards she had "evidence" of me restraining her on her upper arms. Had an officer investigated they probably would have said I was guilty of something. Not at all true and she did finally calm down, apologized to me and thanked me for having the patience I did. Left her at that moment and never spoke to her again. Things can get out of hand and men will always be guilty immediately even if all they did was protect themselves. I'm living proof that there's more to the story than on the surface. I'm sure I'll be called a POS now but when things like this come up I always remember my circumstances. 

Thanks for the posts.  This was precisely my scenario of a possibility during this whole thing for beard, not saying it's what's happened as we don't know but we have no right to go judging and assuming about the situation.  Let the administration take a deep dive and figure out if it's worth a shot.  Maybe the situation wasn't what it seems to some or maybe he's in a better place and a better man.  To assume if he's hired that IU sold their soul to bring in a monster is crazy.  People are funny and fickle.  There's intelligent people of all walks of life, but not everyone has the life experiences to be understanding of people in different situations than they're experienced and judge accordingly.  

[str8baller 6,627]

4 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Beard's sense of self preservation is that he would never get another shot at a marquee (maybe any P5) job if he messed this one up. 

Why would a guy who got two top elite-level jobs in a 4 year span, even after royally screwing up, ever have any doubt he couldn’t get a 3rd eventually? 
 

I doubt the thought would ever cross his mind. 

[OKHOOSIER 5,274]

2 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Why would a guy who got two top elite-level jobs in a 4 year span, even after royally screwing up, ever have any doubt he couldn’t get a 3rd eventually? 
 

I doubt the thought would ever cross his mind. 

I'm not sure I would call Ole Miss an elite level job beyond being P5, they really didn't have anything to lose by hiring him. That was a soft landing spot "second chance" and probably the best he could have hoped for. I don't think you can put it in the same stratosphere with the resources, expectations, and visibility of IU.

It most certainly would be on his mind he could not afford another public mishap and probably is even now at Ole Miss. I could be wrong of course, he may not care at all or be the slightest bit worried about rehabbing his career a second time but I would find that pretty surprising. 

[str8baller 6,627]

13 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

I don't think you can put it in the same stratosphere with the resources, expectations, and visibility of IU.

I was talking about IU. In the event we hired him, he would have got the Texas job, been fired in less than 1.5 seasons, gotten another P5 job immediately, and then been offered the IU job two years later. 
 

Why would anyone like that feel anything but empowered? Hell, I’d have to agree with him. He could get fired from IU and seemingly find another job pretty quickly. Nothing in his career arc would suggest otherwise at that point. 
 

All the risk is on IU, not Beard. 

[IUBtown 317]

55 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I was talking about IU. In the event we hired him, he would have got the Texas job, been fired in less than 1.5 seasons, gotten another P5 job immediately, and then been offered the IU job two years later. 
 

Why would anyone like that feel anything but empowered? Hell, I’d have to agree with him. He could get fired from IU and seemingly find another job pretty quickly. Nothing in his career arc would suggest otherwise at that point. 
 

All the risk is on IU, not Beard. 

To you it may seem like another p5 job but ole miss is lower than Texas tech, to a coach like him it's like starting at the bottom all over again.  IF something were to happen IU would be his last chance at an elite school.  Once can be explained away, if something happens again it's more than that.  The firm and IU doing their due diligence will be enough for me.  

[AZ Hoosier 9,594]

25 minutes ago, IUBtown said:

To you it may seem like another p5 job but ole miss is lower than Texas tech, to a coach like him it's like starting at the bottom all over again.  IF something were to happen IU would be his last chance at an elite school.  Once can be explained away, if something happens again it's more than that.  The firm and IU doing their due diligence will be enough for me.  

The way I read his initial post was hypothetical. The two elite P5 jobs he was talking about were Texas and IU (if he's hired here)... and what I understood his point to be was that IF he gets the IU job and IF he screws the pooch again, he'd be done - he would have screwed up at two elite P5 schools (TX and IU)... but maybe I read it wrong.