Chris Beard - Coaching Candidate

[AZ Hoosier 9,594]

4 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Sampson would have worked out just fine if we hired him in 2022 and not 2006. There are no rules anymore and nobody is ever academically ineligible anymore anywhere. He would of had no issues in the current free for all called the ncaa.

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If my granny had balls she'd be my pappaw... it is what it is... we can't change the past, we can (hopefully) only learn from it.

[Sandman 72]

12 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Sampson would have worked out just fine if we hired him in 2022 and not 2006. There are no rules anymore and nobody is ever academically ineligible anymore anywhere. He would of had no issues in the current free for all called the ncaa.

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I'll go you one better: IU should've fired Knight instead of giving him the "Zero Tolerance" freebie. The we could've hired Bill Self. 

Knight got the "zero tolerance" warning in May 2000. Bill Self got hired at Illinois in June 2000. If Knight gets fired in May, there's a great chance Self takes the job and never leaves. 

[Hornsby 3,367]

I'll go you one better: IU should've fired Knight instead of giving him the "Zero Tolerance" freebie. The we could've hired Bill Self. 
Knight got the "zero tolerance" warning in May 2000. Bill Self got hired at Illinois in June 2000. If Knight gets fired in May, there's a great chance Self takes the job and never leaves. 

Iu has made every wrong coaching choice possible. And now we got people wanting to hire somebody with one year of division one coaching experience. Talk about the definition of insanity.

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[Old Friend 8,569]

4 hours ago, Hornsby said:

Iu has made every wrong coaching choice possible. And now we got people wanting to hire somebody with one year of division one coaching experience. Talk about the definition of insanity.

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Here's the story about the history.  It's not that simple and I don't mean that as a shot at you, but if you don't know, you don't know.

2000 - IU fires Knight and players demand the new head coach be either Mike Davis or John Treloar.  Not because they were good coaches...but because the kids on that team liked them and it was ~ 45 days prior to the start of the season so the IU administration acquiesced.  IU makes the final of the BTT, and foolishly hires Mike Davis permanently.   He proceeded to put the car in neutral down a steep hill and we know how that ended.  Help was...NOT on the way.

2006 - Davis "steps down," and IU has a choice to make.   Rick Pitino called IU (this happened.  100% confident in that answer and I'll explain in a direct message if anyone wants to know, but this is fact) and was told Indiana didn't want another basketball coach to be the face of the University....and Pitino was a national brand of his own at that time.  I guess I understand why academes would feel that way, but I also know without men's basketball, Duke would be ..Elon.  Men's basketball was then and is now IU's most visible and marketable entity and academic folks just hate that.  Anyway....

Instead, IU's AD at the time, Rick Greenspan interviewed many candidates, one of whom (may or may not have been Kevin Stallings) was verbally offered a contract.  Not so fast says then President Adam Herbert...who dealt with lots of pressure from the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, etc about firing Mike Davis and demanded Greenspan hire a black coach.  Herbert (nicknamed the Velvet Fog because he was rarely publicly visible and wore velvet leisure suits) was such an idiot, he thought Kelvin Sampson was black.  It was he who overlooked things at the time and HE who hired Kelvin Sampson,

We know what happened w Sampson....Dakich is hired as an interim and not retained.

Rick Pitino contacts IU again....and gets same answer.

2008 - IU hires Tom Crean.  Had one big year at Marquette when he had 3 NBA guys on his roster; but wasn't yet a national name anywhere near the level of Pitino.  An uneven but sometimes successful 9 years; and lack of consistency along with his wearing high school coaches and people in the athletic department out, he's released and....

2017 - Archie Miller is hired.  IU missed its shot at Brad Stevens before then, and again settled for a one hit wonder over a bigger name...and did so intentionally.  Again.  Then president Michael McRobbie was far more interested in IU being known worldwide for the Kelley School and one of his pets was the Kinsey Institute on Human Sexuality.  He also spent $hundreds of millions on new student housing, and recruited the east coast and big cities more than "Indiana."  That, along with then AD Fred Glass' "student athlete code of conduct" set IU athletics back 10 years.  Archie didn't fit,  was WAY over his head , and was let go.

Brings us to 2021 - Mike Woodson.  Scott Dolson was told who to hire.  I don't know if he had an opportunity to hire someone prior to being told, but Quinn Buckner, Steve Ferguson, and others were responsible for hiring "an IU guy."  Forget he had no experience recruiting, no history of working in the college game, a reputation of being relatively lazy as a coach, and not a lot of energy...he was alleged to finally be that guy IU had been missing.   Scott Dolson arranged for Dane Fife and Thad Matta to be on IU's bench; but Woodson didn't even know who Fife was, and viewed him as a threat.  So long Dane Fife.  Matta leaves for Butler and Woodson stacks his bench with yes men along with Hulls and Cheaney - because he wanted to appease fans and give them the smoke screen.  Woodson demands an un-deserved $1M annual raise, speaks about himself in the 3rd person, wins nothing, and has all sorts of allegations of laziness and entitlement.  

Now he's out and here we are.  I have written before this is the first unobstructed men's basketball hire since 1971.  Indiana can, and Scott Dolson can go get whoever he thinks is the right guy.  I for one trust him to do exactly that.  He will make this decision and their search firm will vet his candidates.  As long as Pamela Whitten (who I really like) signs off?  This is Dolson's call and he has - in my opinion - more than earned IU fans' trust.

Ben McCollum.  The guy has won 12 straight conference titles.  He won 4 national titles at D2.  He has won > 81% of his games over his career.  The guy can coach.  And his Drake team is 28-3.  Anyone who things his hire would be "insanity" is going to have to explain how his resume is even the slightest bit comparable to others before him.  Who has IU hired who had anything close to this pedigree?   Insanity would be hiring Mick Cronin or Buzz Williams.  I'm not saying McCollum's the guy and I'm not saying he isn't.  But I AM saying his lack of D1 experience doesn't scare me one bit.  Lots of bad coaches have more D1 experience than he does.   Does that somehow make them more qualified?

The defense rests, your honor.

[Hornsby 3,367]

10 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Here's the story about the history.  It's not that simple and I don't mean that as a shot at you, but if you don't know, you don't know.
2000 - IU fires Knight and players demand the new head coach be either Mike Davis or John Treloar.  Not because they were good coaches...but because the kids on that team liked them and it was ~ 45 days prior to the start of the season so the IU administration acquiesced.  IU makes the final of the BTT, and foolishly hires Mike Davis permanently.   He proceeded to put the car in neutral down a steep hill and we know how that ended.  Help was...NOT on the way.
2006 - Davis "steps down," and IU has a choice to make.   Rick Pitino called IU (this happened.  100% confident in that answer and I'll explain in a direct message if anyone wants to know, but this is fact) and was told Indiana didn't want another basketball coach to be the face of the University....and Pitino was a national brand of his own at that time.  I guess I understand why academes would feel that way, but I also know without men's basketball, Duke would be ..Elon.  Men's basketball was then and is now IU's most visible and marketable entity and academic folks just hate that.  Anyway....
Instead, IU's Ad at the time, Rick Greenspan interviewed many candidates, one of whom (may or may not have been Kevin Stallings) was verbally offered a contract.  Not so fast says then President Adam Herbert...who dealt with lots of pressure from the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, etc about firing Mike Davis and demanded Greenspan hire a black coach.  Herbert (nicknamed the Velvet Fog because he was rarely publicly visible and wore velvet leisure suits) was such an idiot, he thought Kelvin Sampson was black.  It was he who overlooked things at the time and HE who hired Kelvin Sampson,
We know what happened w Sampson....Dakich is hired as an interim and not retained.
Rick Pitino contacts IU again....and gets same answer.
2008 - IU hires Tom Crean.  Had one big year at Marquette when he had 3 NBA guys on his roster; but wasn't yet a national name anywhere near the level of Pitino.  An uneven but sometimes successful 9 years; and lack of consistency along with his wearing high school coaches and people in the athletic department out, he's released and....
2017 - Archie Miller is hired.  IU missed its shot at Brad Stevens before then, and again settled for a one hit wonder over a bigger name...and did so intentionally.  Again.  Then president Michael McRobbie was far more interested in IU being known worldwide for the Kelley School and one of his pets was the Kinsey Institute on Human Sexuality.  That, along with then AD Fred Glass' "student athlete code of conduct" set IU athletics back 10 years.  Archie didn't fit, and was WAY over his head , and was let go.
Brings us to 2021 - Mike Woodson.  Scott Dolson was told who to hire.  I don't know if he had an opportunity to hire someone prior to being told, but Quinn Buckner, Steve Ferguson, and others were responsible for hiring "an IU guy."  Forget he had no experience recruiting, no history of working in the college game, a reputation of being relatively lazy as a coach, and not a lot of energy...he was alleged to finally be that guy IU had been missing.   Scott Dolson arranged for Dane Fife and Thad Matta to be on IU's bench; but Woodson didn't even know who Fife was, and viewed him as a threat.  So long Dane Fife.  Matta leaves for Butler and Woodson stacks his bench with yes men along with Hulls and Cheaney - because he wanted to appease fans and give them the smoke screen.  Woodson demands an un-deserved $1M annual raise, speaks about himself in the 3rd person, wins nothing, and has all sorts of allegations of laziness and entitlement.  
Now he's out and here we are.  I have written before this is the first unobstructed men's basketball hire since 1971.  Indiana can, and Scott Dolson can go get whoever he thinks is the right guy.  I for one trust him to do exactly that.  He will make this decision and their search firm will vet his candidates.  As long as Pamela Whitten (who I really like) signs off?  This is Dolson's call and he has - in my opinion - more than earned IU fans' trust.
Ben McCollum.  The guy has won 12 straight conference titles.  He won 4 national titles at D2.  He has won > 81% of his games over his career.  The guy can coach.  And his Drake team is 28-3.  Anyone who things his hire would be "insanity" is going to have to explain how his resume is even the slightest bit comparable to others before him.  Who has IU hired who had anything close to this pedigree?   Insanity would be hiring Mick Cronin or Buzz Williams.  I'm not saying McCollum's the guy and I'm not saying he isn't.  But I AM saying his lack of D1 experience doesn't scare me one bit.  Lots of bad coaches have more D1 experience than he does.   Does that somehow make them more qualified?
The defense rests, your honor.

Whats amazing is all the good coaches we could of had over the years

Pitino
Matta
Beilein

And in every case we went with somebody else

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[Old Friend 8,569]

1 minute ago, Hornsby said:

Whats amazing is all the good coaches we could of had over the years

Pitino
Matta
Beilein

And in every case we went with somebody else

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We did so on purpose.  That's my point

[AZ Hoosier 9,594]

11 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Here's the story about the history.  It's not that simple and I don't mean that as a shot at you, but if you don't know, you don't know.

2000 - IU fires Knight and players demand the new head coach be either Mike Davis or John Treloar.  Not because they were good coaches...but because the kids on that team liked them and it was ~ 45 days prior to the start of the season so the IU administration acquiesced.  IU makes the final of the BTT, and foolishly hires Mike Davis permanently.   He proceeded to put the car in neutral down a steep hill and we know how that ended.  Help was...NOT on the way.

Assuming you meant "Mike Davis or John Treloar"... surely Woodson wasn't in the running that early... he was an assistant with the Cavaliers in 1999-2001...

But thanks for sharing... 

[Old Friend 8,569]

1 minute ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Assuming you meant "Mike Davis or John Treloar"... surely Woodson wasn't in the running that early... he was an assistant with the Cavaliers in 1999-2001...

But thanks for sharing... 

I caught that and corrected it above.  Habit....Thanks!

[Hornsby 3,367]

We did so on purpose.  That's my point

No I know that's what's so upsetting about it. But the last two hires were just bad hires plain and simple.

 

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[Old Friend 8,569]

Just now, Hornsby said:

No I know that's what's so upsetting about it. But the last two hires were just bad hires plain and simple.

 

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I was with you the first time.   They ALL were.

[Ryno6284 3,693]

IU will really have to try to **** up this hire with all of the quality candidates!

[Motley's 356]

43 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Ben McCollum.  The guy has won 12 straight conference titles.  He won 4 national titles at D2.  He has won > 81% of his games over his career.  The guy can coach.  And his Drake team is 28-3.  Anyone who things his hire would be "insanity" is going to have to explain how his resume is even the slightest bit comparable to others before him.  Who has IU hired who had anything close to this pedigree?   Insanity would be hiring Mick Cronin or Buzz Williams.  I'm not saying McCollum's the guy and I'm not saying he isn't.  But I AM saying his lack of D1 experience doesn't scare me one bit.  Lots of bad coaches have more D1 experience than he does.   Does that somehow make them more qualified?

The defense rests, your honor.

Whoever hires McCollum is getting Bo Ryan 2.0. Ryan won 82% of his games at WI-Platteville and four DIII national titles. He was at Milwaukee for two seasons before WI hired him, after at least two candidates turned them down. The rest is history. 

[Old Friend 8,569]

3 minutes ago, Motley's said:

Whoever hires McCollum is getting Bo Ryan 2.0. Ryan won 82% of his games at WI-Platteville and four DIII national titles. He was at Milwaukee for two seasons before WI hired him, after at least two candidates turned them down. The rest is history. 

I'd take that.  Under Ryan, Wisconsin was in the conversation every year.  Good comparison

[BA47591 522]

A well regarded 30yo young man got out there and won the ground between I70 and the Ohio River. He spoke at every event he could get into, and brought in as many high school coaches as he could to his coaching clinics. In 4 years the majority of the coaches in s. Indiana were running motion and playing help side m2m defense. Every kid in the state was  pre-packaged to play IU basketball. Duplicate that out of the gate and be able to inspire a high level of effort on both ends of the court and you'll be off on the right foot. There should be several guys out there capable of that. 

Its mind blowing that if you are the age Coach was when he built the fanbase, you never experienced IU greatness or how it came to be. I can't wrap my mind around that. 

[Motley's 356]

Just now, Old Friend said:

I'd take that.  Under Ryan, Wisconsin was in the conversation every year.  Good comparison

I was very envious of their success. WI had lost 31 straight to IU until 1997 (Dick Bennett). Now IU hasn’t won at WI since 1998. 

[LamarCheeks 21,188]

29 minutes ago, Motley's said:

Whoever hires McCollum is getting Bo Ryan 2.0. Ryan won 82% of his games at WI-Platteville and four DIII national titles. He was at Milwaukee for two seasons before WI hired him, after at least two candidates turned them down. The rest is history. 

Little-known fact -- or on this board, probably a well-known fact: 

In 1995, Ryan's Platteville team won the D-III title game over Manchester College, coached by ... our good friend Steve Alford. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 88,066]

7 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Little-known fact -- or on this board, probably a well-known fact: 

In 1995, Ryan's Platteville team won the D-III title game over Manchester College, coached by ... our good friend Steve Alford. 

And that's exactly why Alford isn't on the candidate list!

[LamarCheeks 21,188]

3 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

And that's exactly why Alford isn't on the candidate list!

[OliviaPope40 7,189]

6 hours ago, Sandman said:

I'll go you one better: IU should've fired Knight instead of giving him the "Zero Tolerance" freebie. The we could've hired Bill Self. 

Knight got the "zero tolerance" warning in May 2000. Bill Self got hired at Illinois in June 2000. If Knight gets fired in May, there's a great chance Self takes the job and never leaves. 

Did not know he was ever at Illinois before Kansas.

[Hornsby 3,367]

IU will really have to try to **** up this hire with all of the quality candidates!

Well that is true there were probably lots of quality candidates the last two hires as well. Hopefully we are over flavors of the month and former players

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