IUBB vs Miami (OH) - Friday, 12.06.24 @ 7:00 on BTN

[RaceToTheTop 25,486]

1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

 

Final result ended up decent but the offense rarely  looks good. And the defense even more rarely looks good.  
 

This is where I think Woodson loses the fan base the most (other than him feeling like he is 'beyond questioning'.

He is sitting at 77-44 and 31-29 in the BT partway through three seasons with two NCAA appearances and one missed.  One win in the play in game, one win in the round of 64.  Last year was a disaster but that single year wouldn't see a fan base turning on him if it were for his attitude AND the fact that the style of basketball isn't much fun to watch.  TJD hid a lot of issues when he was here.  The talent level this year is really good on paper and it's talent that we think an elite college coach could do a lot with.

76-57 games CAN be fun to watch it the play is fun to watch.  It wasn't a great watch tonight.  

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1 hour ago, HinnyHoosier said:

At least he gave a hoot and played hard.

That's one more hoot than Mgbako.

There was one play where we turned it over and mgbako the only defender back and honestly he could not have been more casual with his defense. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,230]

This is where I think Woodson loses the fan base the most (other than him feeling like he is 'beyond questioning'.
He is sitting at 77-44 and 31-29 in the BT partway through three seasons with two NCAA appearances and one missed.  One win in the play in game, one win in the round of 64.  Last year was a disaster but that single year wouldn't see a fan base turning on him if it were for his attitude AND the fact that the style of basketball isn't much fun to watch.  TJD hid a lot of issues when he was here.  The talent level this year is really good on paper and it's talent that we think an elite college coach could do a lot with.
76-57 games CAN be fun to watch it the play is fun to watch.  It wasn't a great watch tonight.  

31-29 not the Standard Indiana or it’s fans are trying to achieve. Hasn’t shown an ability to create a great team. Gotta see a vision at some point. Mediocre Mike takes above average talent and gets mediocre results.


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[Dhop 391]

Who gives a hoot!?!?

[IndianaSconnie90 173]

47 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Cool.  It was a 17.5 line, IU won by 19.  It wasn't a great performance but it wasn't the disaster you are making it out to be.  I checked my notes as well and Miami of Ohio led Michigan with three minutes left in the first half.  If you are clutching your pearls on a 19 point win against Miami of Ohio, you'd better be prepared to go apeshit later because this won't be the worst performance going forward.

*checks notes again* nope, never said it was a disaster. *returns to notes with highlighter* appears the word i used was indifferent. But carry on my son, spread the cheer 

[IndianaSconnie90 173]

38 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

This is where I think Woodson loses the fan base the most (other than him feeling like he is 'beyond questioning as well as being a dreadful coach.

He is sitting at 77-44 and 31-29 in the BT partway through three seasons with two NCAA appearances and one missed.  One win in the play in game, one win in the round of 64.  Last year was a disaster but that single year wouldn't see a fan base turning on him if it were for his attitude AND the fact that the style of basketball isn't much fun to watch.  TJD hid a lot of issues when he was here.  The talent level this year is really good on paper and it's talent that we think an elite college coach could do a lot with.

76-57 games CAN be fun to watch it the play is fun to watch.  It wasn't a great watch tonight.  

Fixed it for you

[Claxdj01 15]

Results excluded, this is the most talented overall Indiana team in a very long time. The coaching holds it back. They can spend 2 minutes looking like a top 10 contender and the next 2 as confused as an Amish electrician. Goes back to coaching. If he can get the right players on the floor they will be able to at least make the tournament. This will be unpopular here but please send Galloway down the road. He’s in his 19th year, all he mostly does is throw it away. The opposing team openly said they weren’t going to guard him if he had the ball, he did make a few shots but that’s rare going into to his 20th season that he can make anything. goode should start, ballo shouldn’t be bringing the ball up, and a lot of the defensive trouble happened when they drew ballo beyond free throw line extended and he should never be there. 

[TheWatShot 13,896]

Didn't get to see the game, only saw the score periodically. I see we were up 12 early, the lead dwindled down to 3 at the half, was only five midway through the second half and then grew from there. Sounds like a typical Mike Woodson game against a team with inferior talent. 

[Golfman25 5,306]

Season starts Monday fellas. 

[Rico 3,005]

8 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

Season starts Monday fellas. 

Does that mean Woody is gonna start coaching?

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,529]

Hope Ant doesn't feel like the Lone Ranger.

 

[Golfman25 5,306]

11 minutes ago, Rico said:

Does that mean Woody is gonna start coaching?

Depends.  Is that his job? :)

[Whoozhers 3,677]

Looks like a lot of seats looking for fannys at SSAH. Wonder why?

Sad.

[Brass Cannon 24,620]

2 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

Depends.  Is that his job? :)

Pretty sure he’s paid to smoke cigars, drink and force his wife to order him pizzas.  

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14 hours ago, IndianaSconnie90 said:

Fixed it for you

I don't have a problem with the addition you made.  But I stand by my point that if Woodson was a more likable person, the results he's had wouldn't put him under as much fire as he's in.  IU has basically been a 20-12 team on average since he's been here -- not what we want, but better than what Miller was putting together.  The talent Woodson has had has been good enough -- although the composition has been uneven.  On the X's and O's I agree with you -- he's not a good college coach and he three+ years in he hasn't adapted.  IMO it's all about his personality flaw that refuses him to allow being questioned.  There have been poor X and O coaches who have succeeded by accumulating talent AND surrounding themselves by assistants that they listen to.  Woodson doesn't and in the long run I don't think the odds of him changing his ways is good because he refuses to acknowledge flaws.

Take Tom Crean as an example.  Not a great X and O guy but he did allow input from others.  And at the end of the day, despite being weird -- he was a pretty good guy at heart.  Fans didn't turn on Crean until much, much later.

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19 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I don't have a problem with the addition you made.  But I stand by my point that if Woodson was a more likable person, the results he's had wouldn't put him under as much fire as he's in.  IU has basically been a 20-12 team on average since he's been here -- not what we want, but better than what Miller was putting together.  The talent Woodson has had has been good enough -- although the composition has been uneven.  On the X's and O's I agree with you -- he's not a good college coach and he three+ years in he hasn't adapted.  IMO it's all about his personality flaw that refuses him to allow being questioned.  There have been poor X and O coaches who have succeeded by accumulating talent AND surrounding themselves by assistants that they listen to.  Woodson doesn't and in the long run I don't think the odds of him changing his ways is good because he refuses to acknowledge flaws.

Take Tom Crean as an example.  Not a great X and O guy but he did allow input from others.  And at the end of the day, despite being weird -- he was a pretty good guy at heart.  Fans didn't turn on Crean until much, much later.

Phil Jackson of NBA fame was great at that.  His strength was managing the personalities and egos of the players.  He left the X&O to guys like Tex Winter, the triple post guru.   It's a trait of a lot of successful people -- surround yourself with people who cover your weaknesses.  

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22 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I don't have a problem with the addition you made.  But I stand by my point that if Woodson was a more likable person, the results he's had wouldn't put him under as much fire as he's in.  IU has basically been a 20-12 team on average since he's been here -- not what we want, but better than what Miller was putting together.  The talent Woodson has had has been good enough -- although the composition has been uneven.  On the X's and O's I agree with you -- he's not a good college coach and he three+ years in he hasn't adapted.  IMO it's all about his personality flaw that refuses him to allow being questioned.  There have been poor X and O coaches who have succeeded by accumulating talent AND surrounding themselves by assistants that they listen to.  Woodson doesn't and in the long run I don't think the odds of him changing his ways is good because he refuses to acknowledge flaws.

Take Tom Crean as an example.  Not a great X and O guy but he did allow input from others.  And at the end of the day, despite being weird -- he was a pretty good guy at heart.  Fans didn't turn on Crean until much, much later.

I 100% would not feel nearly as strongly about firing Woodson if he wasn’t such a lazy, unlikeable, smug, *****. But when his teams stink/are dreadful to watch AND we hear all the stories about how little effort he puts into the job, it’s absolutely infuriating. 

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4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I 100% would not feel nearly as strongly about firing Woodson if he wasn’t such a lazy, unlikeable, smug, *****. But when his teams stink/are dreadful to watch AND we hear all the stories about how little effort he puts into the job, it’s absolutely infuriating. 

We all have friends (or co-workers) like Tom Crean and Mike Woodson.  I don't know individually that Crean was a better X and O guy BUT he at least would listen to people around him.  And while ultimately his lack of X's and O's got him fired, he made it nine years,  had IU ranked #1 and won two big ten titles (which is an okay run from a bball coach).  And I never got the feeling from Crean that he was a 'look at what I did I'm the greatest coach' kind of guy......something that Woodson has been despite not having the results that warrant it.

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12 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Phil Jackson of NBA fame was great at that.  His strength was managing the personalities and egos of the players.  He left the X&O to guys like Tex Winter, the triple post guru.   It's a trait of a lot of successful people -- surround yourself with people who cover your weaknesses.  

Phil Jackson was also the master of putting himself into situations where he couldn't fail.  Coach the Bulls, retire, and then take the job with the Lakers with a prime Kobe.  It is worth noting that Jackson and Woodson were tied together as Woodson coached the Knicks in 2014-5 to a 37-45 record;  he was fired after the season.  Jackson was the GM for the next two seasons where he installed former players Derek Fisher and then Kurt Rambis to the head coaching position where both failed miserably.  So Jackson knew enough to delegate as a coach but when he was in charge of the coaching decisions and team make up......ugh.

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5 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Hope Ant doesn't feel like the Lone Ranger.

 

I like and trust what Ant Wright says -- he's a pretty big Pro-Big Ten guy who doesn't seem to have a bias against any team in the Big (although he is a pretty anti-Purdue fan guy, always making sure to post the 'you get in there and make it about you' meme any time a Purdue fan posts something about Purdue in a thread dealing with other teams).