Transfer Portal w IU Interest

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Just now, IH8PU said:

Actually on X they are becoming even dumber. They point out that Arizona lost to the PUkes therefore Baso must be dog meat and will not make a difference at IU. They still speak as if they won a banner. They still speak as if Edey is back next year. They still speak as if they have roster spots open. They still speak as if they are the "gods of the big ten conference" ... Speaking is not their strong suit as usual.

lol it took the greatest mismatch in modern-day CBB history for them to make a FF4. Lord 

[RaceToTheTop 24,971]

1 minute ago, IH8PU said:

Actually on X they are becoming even dumber. They point out that Arizona lost to the PUkes therefore Baso must be dog meat and will not make a difference at IU. They still speak as if they won a banner. They still speak as if Edey is back next year. They still speak as if they have roster spots open. They still speak as if they are the "gods of the big ten conference" ... Speaking is not their strong suit as usual.

wIlL BErg iS AlMOsT As TaLl as EdEY, sO HE MusT bE GoOD

[Hardwood83 4,749]

6 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

We did.  But at the minimum it does seem like that the staff is looking at bringing in shooters -- I don't know why you would bring in Essegian for a visit if you weren't because that is pretty much what he did well when he was on his game.

My guy says that Rice and Carlyle decided they wanted to play together and sold themselves as such.  And if the option is both of them neither, put me down as a resounding yes to both of them.  Let's say that they both shoot 35% from three next year -- pretty realistic expectation for the jump from freshman to sophomore year (for an IU comparison, C.J. Gunn and Tamar Bates certainly had holes in their game and neither shot the ball well as all as freshman, but they were at 34 and 37% as sophomores).  Rice and Carlyle as 35% shooters from deep are a couple of pretty effective three level scorers.

IF that happens then we're gonna have to find something else to complain about! I am a little skeptical though. I am no expert, but what I've seen of Carlyle, he seems like he'll be erratic. Get you 26pts on 5-8 3p shooting one night, but then 7pts on 0-4 3p with 4 TO's the next. 

Hope I'm wrong, but was hoping for a starting SG that is (already) a very good 3p shooter and I am not convinced Carlyle will develop into that guy. Hope he proves me wrong, since all indications are he is being installed as the starting SG next year. 

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1 minute ago, Hardwood83 said:

IF that happens then we're gonna have to find something else to complain about! I am a little skeptical though. I am no expert, but what I've seen of Carlyle, he seems like he'll be erratic. Get you 26pts on 5-8 3p shooting one night, but then 7pts on 0-4 3p with 4 TO's the next. 

Hope I'm wrong, but was hoping for a starting SG that is (already) a very good 3p shooter and I am not convinced Carlyle will develop into that guy. Hope he proves me wrong, since all indications are he is being installed as the starting SG next year. 

Just saying...that's 5/12 for 41.7%.

 

;)

[Hardwood83 4,749]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

Just saying...that's 5/12 for 41.7%.

 

;)

 

[IUrocker 2,145]

Definitely interested in how the Connor Essegian visit goes today. If he’s 100% healthy from his back issues like I’ve seen he is, I think he could be a more reliable shot maker than Miller Kopp was for us. I feel like Kopp wasn’t as deadly as I thought he’d be, although I wish he had gotten more attempts. Thing is, Kopp probably ended up being a better defender than Connor could be. No reason why he can’t improve there though. Kopp improved his defense while here, so Connor could do the same if he puts in the work. 

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9 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

IF that happens then we're gonna have to find something else to complain about! I am a little skeptical though. I am no expert, but what I've seen of Carlyle, he seems like he'll be erratic. Get you 26pts on 5-8 3p shooting one night, but then 7pts on 0-4 3p with 4 TO's the next. 

Hope I'm wrong, but was hoping for a starting SG that is (already) a very good 3p shooter and I am not convinced Carlyle will develop into that guy. Hope he proves me wrong, since all indications are he is being installed as the starting SG next year. 

I preferred a shooting guard that can create for themselves, and others first. We needed a scorer more than JUST a shooter. I preferred Carlyle at the 2, more so than any other option we have seen thus far. 

His catch and shoot #s, spot-up #s were as good as any FR in a Power 5 conference. 

[IUCrazy2 2,351]

13 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

IF that happens then we're gonna have to find something else to complain about! I am a little skeptical though. I am no expert, but what I've seen of Carlyle, he seems like he'll be erratic. Get you 26pts on 5-8 3p shooting one night, but then 7pts on 0-4 3p with 4 TO's the next. 

Hope I'm wrong, but was hoping for a starting SG that is (already) a very good 3p shooter and I am not convinced Carlyle will develop into that guy. Hope he proves me wrong, since all indications are he is being installed as the starting SG next year. 

In that situation you hope to go to your bench to bring in a guy who at the very least doesn't hurt you.  Maybe Cupps gives you minutes that night.  Maybe Newton.  Maybe a guy like Essegian.  Galloway is still on the team and although I think I prefer him at SF he can play the 2G no problem.

With just the 4 guys Woodson is supposed to be adding already, there really should be no excuses.  If you add Carlyle, you have enough to go out and win a bunch of games.  If you can't or don't, you aren't the guy.

[Golfman25 5,038]

31 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

First class reporting by FO68! 

Obviously projecting our tourney miss this coming season.  :)  

[Golfman25 5,038]

12 minutes ago, btownqb said:

We needed a scorer more than JUST a shooter.

Oh no, did you really say that.  That other guy should be by any minute to correct you.  :)  

[str8baller 5,067]

58 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Shot 38% in conference games.

If you exclude the two conf tourney games where he didn’t shoot well. Since they were the last two games of the year, I didn’t break it out that way. 
 

For whatever reason he struggled in Nov going 2/18 that month. After that he shot .356 from 3 on exactly 5 atts a game. Barring injury or some weird regression he’s going to be a good to great 3 point shooter for us next year.  
 

I’d argue Cupps will probably be capable of hitting 35%+ on catch and shoot 3’s. Galloway may bump back up if he doesn’t have to do so much. So if just one of Carlyle or Rice make a jump to a 35% or better 3pt shooter, we should be able to roll out some lineups that can shoot the 3. I wouldn’t expect Cupps or Leal to see many minutes but nonetheless they provide a little flexibility in that regard.  
 

The question then becomes, will we? We’d need to shoot about 7 more 3s a game to get to the median Div 1 team this year. One of the reasons I like Conwell is that because he’s a very willing shooter (and capable maker!) and would have no problems finding 3’s to take even in Woodys offense. But even without him we should have enough shooting to justify taking a bunch more 3s

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2 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Oh no, did you really say that.  That other guy should be by any minute to correct you.  :)  

what? And yes, I never thought "3pt shooting" was our biggest issue. 

[Bowhunter 2,693]

I think our style of play does hurt us recruiting elite level guards who can shoot. That’s why we probably end up with a Conner Essesian type player who is an elite level shooter but not an elite level guard.

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10 minutes ago, btownqb said:

what? And yes, I never thought "3pt shooting" was our biggest issue. 

The basketball savant will be by shortly to explain to you there is no difference between shooting and scoring.  

[Chris007 43,567]

Sounds like Connor is down to IU and Michigan. Maryland and South Carolina both got guards so he's out with them. He grew up a Michigan fan and likes their system better, but our money seems to be a little higher. I don't think he will commit today but I would love to be surprised. 

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3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Sounds like Connor is down to IU and Michigan. Maryland and South Carolina both got guards so he's out with them. He grew up a Michigan fan and likes their system better, but our money seems to be a little higher. I don't think he will commit today but I would love to be surprised. 

how many minutes would you project for Conner?  Would he likely given the green light to stroke it from 3 as his main role 

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4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Sounds like Connor is down to IU and Michigan. Maryland and South Carolina both got guards so he's out with them. He grew up a Michigan fan and likes their system better, but our money seems to be a little higher. I don't think he will commit today but I would love to be surprised. 

Yeah doesn’t surprise me that he’s down to IU and Michigan. I knew he and his family grew up big Michigan fans. I’m sure they’d think it’d be really cool for him to play there. Obviously playing at a place like IU is no slouch either obviously, so in this case hopefully money does talk. I’m bias on him though since we went to the same high school. My sister in law was his teacher in a couple classes too, so we all think it’d be cool for him to be at IU. 

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8 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Sounds like Connor is down to IU and Michigan. Maryland and South Carolina both got guards so he's out with them. He grew up a Michigan fan and likes their system better, but our money seems to be a little higher. I don't think he will commit today but I would love to be surprised. 

Michigans new assistant from St Mary’s has ties to the kid that just entered the portal and that kid is a stud.   He would be perfect for any team.  If he goes to Michigan not sure i see Essegian going there 

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6 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

how many minutes would you project for Conner?  Would he likely given the green light to stroke it from 3 as his main role 

I would guess 10-15 minutes and more on any given night. And why bring him in if your not giving him the green light

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1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Let's say that they both shoot 35% from three next year -- pretty realistic expectation for the jump from freshman to sophomore year (for an IU comparison, C.J. Gunn and Tamar Bates certainly had holes in their game and neither shot the ball well as all as freshman, but they were at 34 and 37% as sophomores).  Rice and Carlyle as 35% shooters from deep are a couple of pretty effective three level scorers.

That's my assessment as well. I think both Carlyle and Rice will be ~35% on 5-6 attempts a game which translates to 1.5-2 makes a game and then Mgbako I think will be ~37% on 7-8 attempts which again translates to 2.75-3 makes a game. On the low end that comes out to just under 200 made 3's. That alone eclipses last years total of 166 made 3's just from 3 players. Those guys are going to get a ton of looks next year with Reneau and Ballo who are almost automatic under the rim. If Rice and Carlyle can hit open 3's next year (something our back court couldn't do at all last season) this will be a very tough offense to stop. Opposing defenders aren't going to sag off of guys like Rice or Carlyle, they'll get run out of the gym if they do.