They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[ap2345 11,320]

4 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I also find it interesting that many here (not necessarily you) are putting Stevens and Dusty May in the category of "home run hires" and "big dogs"... and Dolson missed on Stevens (and Pearl) last year. Buckner had agreed to let Woodson go if Dolson could lock down a big name coach... Dusty was on the table, and is now considered a prime target, but it wasn't good enough for Buckner last year when it was significantly more possible.

After hiring Cignetti, and with Buckner (hopefully) out of the way, I am willing to sit back and let Scott Dolson do what he's paid to do - hire coaches... 

Buckner didn't approve of Pearl. Dolson didn't miss on him. Buckner didn't think Dusty was good enough either. Brad said the time wasn't right. 

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25 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Steven's isn't coming until he does. I'm not falling for that talk again it's how we nd up with guys like Woodson. Brad says no so here is Michael Lewis for 7 years. He is an iu guy!!!

 

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Fans thinking we'd get Stevens is how we got Woodson?

[Chris007 61,982]

5 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Don’t know what he’s making today as GM but unless it’s a really, really big number, I’m willing to bet 10-12M goes a lot further in southern Indiana than whatever he makes in Boston. Factor in some uncertainty in the front office and a different family situation, plus the roots… you can definitely see it if you squint. Key is to not squint too hard and convince ourselves it’s definitely gonna happen (yet)… sucks we are in the thick of basketball season and I just want it over to start coach search szn, a 21st century IU basketball favorite pastime. 

You are correct don't squint too much. We have to have good vibes but nothing is a sure thing. 

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46 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Thanks Matty. Great idea. Coach Woodson wishes you good luck with the big game tonight

Lol. Hey I'm just saying it would be the ultimate Troll to Purdue fans if he flipped. I hate Purdue but I can't deny Painter is the best coach in the Big Ten.

[Chris007 61,982]

5 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I also find it interesting that many here (not necessarily you) are putting Stevens and Dusty May in the category of "home run hires" and "big dogs"... and Dolson missed on Stevens (and Pearl) last year. Buckner had agreed to let Woodson go if Dolson could lock down a big name coach... Dusty was on the table, and is now considered a prime target, but it wasn't good enough for Buckner last year when it was significantly more possible.

After hiring Cignetti, and with Buckner (hopefully) out of the way, I am willing to sit back and let Scott Dolson do what he's paid to do - hire coaches... 

I don't think we missed on Pearl from what I was told. Buckner just vetoed it. 

[ap2345 11,320]

Just now, HoosierMatty said:

Lol. Hey I'm just saying it would be the ultimate Troll to Purdue fans if he flipped. I hate Purdue but I can't deny Painter is the best coach in the Big Ten.

I know. It would never happen. I also felt like building off of the Matty cameo Woodson got tricked into doing lol 

[Hornsby 3,870]

Playing devils advocate… if Dolson is “falling” for Stevens - swinging for home runs and missing - that’s definitely a factor in how we ended up with Woodson. If some narratives are to believed, striking out on Stevens last time was all the opportunity Buckner needed to railroad his guy in there. I get people who are over the idea of Stevens at this point and need to see it to believe it. Definitely worthwhile for Dolson to stay engaged with Stevens hoping the timing works out. But prioritization and timing and anticipating internal obstacles needs to be better this time around.

Exactly my point.

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42 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Will Brad Stevens ghost be on the search list in 2065?

No, but his statue will be in front of the new Knight-Stevens arena.  :)

[Hornsby 3,870]

Buckner didn't approve of Pearl. Dolson didn't miss on him. Buckner didn't think Dusty was good enough either. Brad said the time wasn't right. 

We have limit ourselves because we don't dare touch guys like pearl or beard. We are to darn holy for them.

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4 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

That was likely just a cop out by Buckner.  He knew they probably couldn’t get Stevens and Dolson would never be allowed to hire Pearl.

I completely understand that it was manipulation by Buckner, but my point is that Indiana didn't get May last year and now he's one of the top two names on almost everyone's list.. and while I'd love to see Dusty at Indiana, I am not sure how viable it really is. What a difference one year makes.

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4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I don't think we missed on Pearl from what I was told. Buckner just vetoed it. 

That just sucks.

[Hornsby 3,870]

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Pessimism vs reality are two different things. A 25 year record of horrible hires is reality. Dolson is now on the prove us wrong stage.

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1 minute ago, Hornsby said:

We have limit ourselves because we don't dare touch guys like pearl or beard. We are to darn holy for them.

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.....nothing wrong with not wanting to settle! Reach for the TOP, exhaust all options and then slowly work back down....

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14 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I don't know what NBA GM's make but is it in the 10-12 million range?

A really big name can command that. Phil Jackson to the Knicks. Reilly was given ownership in the Heat. Rare. But that’s why in the previous post about leverage I said i didn’t know if he was quite at that level. 
 

Honestly, the best way for Stevens to get there if new ownership really wants him would be to leverage a huge IU offer and hold that over their heads. It would also explain why from the IU side there “appears “ to be interest again. 

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21 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Here's the problem. The Celtics are for sale. Anytime a new owner comes in there's a chance they will want their own front office people. The other thing is the Celtics have a very expensive roster that doesn't have much wiggle room. They are over the second apron with restricts what kind of moves they can make with their roster. Next year they are losing key pieces and some pieces are getting older. They will have an even more expensive roster next year with very little flexibility. There's a good chance they are headed towards having to trade some dudes and rebuild in the very near future. If that isn't done right Boston will be up in arms. 

all of those points are valid - but during the warriors run with klay, steph, KD, Green and others, they made decisions on the fly and they did just fine with little cap flexibility at the highest available apron but kept pieces moving.  i don't see why boston couldn't replicate it over the next 3 or 4 years.  Now, of course a new owner throws a curveball so i suppose stevens could elect to take the safer route of the two now that he's won at the highest level of basketball in the NBA.  

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.....nothing wrong with not wanting to settle! Reach for the TOP, exhaust all options and then slowly work back down....

I would throw pitino is that as well. Iu would never touch him and he is killing it this season.

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[Golfman25 6,704]

You guys still speculating on Brad Stevens?  I told you, he's going to be the interim after Woodson gets fired in about 2 weeks. :)  

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19 minutes ago, HoosierHuddle said:

A name that I don't believe will be considered but he has been mentioned on other boards, mostly in passing. Probably not related to the IU search but Jeff Rabjohns has pointed him out specifically on a few occasions...again, probably just because his team plays good basketball. Randy Bennett at St. Mary's. The time for him to make a move was probably a few years ago but the Gaels are always fun to watch and if I am not mistaken, they have won 15 straight road games and are now 19-3. It doesn't seem to matter what resources he has or what roster he has, St. Mary's keeps winning and gets to the tournament. Now, exempting the blowout of King Woody, they have not had much success in the Big Dance but they usually have a large athletic disadvantage no matter who they get matched up with in the second round. Anyway, he has an interesting resume and if IU misses on Brad Stevens and Dusty May...number three on the list would be a mystery.

I don’t think he’s ever lived east of the Rockies. Agree he is a good coach tho

16 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Has Stevens ever had to handle a full blown rebuild as a front office executive? Not saying he couldn't do it but he walked into a nice situation. 

Technically as coach, right? But he stepped in and their young guys were competitive right away. NBA fell in love with him as much as the college world pretty quickly. 

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1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

You guys still speculating on Brad Stevens?  I told you, he's going to be the interim after Woodson gets fired in about 2 weeks. :)  

But what if we start to do good?  We will be forced to hire him for good!