They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Silat Player]

5 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I think we’ll move on him when the season ends, which is what I said. 

No, you said that "short of a dramatic turnaround, IU would move on..." 

That was the point of my post. There should be zero circumstances in which Woodson keeps his job at this point. Statistically, nothing has changed this year.

The decision-makers at IU decided to ignore all of the issues in the program and spend a bunch of NIL money to buy a roster in year 4 of Woodson's tenure to try to achieve success.

All of the issues remain:

- He can't recruit elite guards and the team can't shoot. 

- He can't recruit HS players.

- His teams get blown-out in B1G games and against decent teams. 

Obviously IU's decision-making when choosing basketball coaches is bad. The fact that they chose a basketball coach with ZERO college coaching experience was an astoundingly bad choice. There is no way to defend such a choice. The next coach should not be chosen in the same manner. That process obviously didn't work. Whatever checks and balances (if there were any) that should have been in place failed miserably.

[Golfman25]

2 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I can understand why so many people are infuriated by the current status of the program, but the implication from several posters is that violence could result if IU doesn’t terminate Woodson, and that’s disturbing on several levels, to say the least. Perhaps it’s just modern day fandom, but I’ve never associated it with our fans previously.

Actually it's one poster.  But the fact remains, keeping him may result in some ugly scenes inside Assembly Hall.  It that happens its on the Administration.  

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

I can understand why so many people are infuriated by the current status of the program, but the implication from several posters is that violence could result if IU doesn’t terminate Woodson, and that’s disturbing on several levels, to say the least. Perhaps it’s just modern day fandom, but I’ve never associated it with our fans previously.

I don't think anybody is actually going to harm anybody either, but these same people suggesting it could happen are going to be the same people left dumbfounded once Stevens (again), May, Pearl, etc all say "No" to IU. 

We'll end up hiring the next lucky up and comer who has zero experience managing these kinds of expectations or fan base and be right back here in another 3-4 years only under a new thread title.

Rinse, wash, repeat

[KathywithaC]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Hoosier Pride said:

Does my alumni status dictate my fan status, thereby granting or restricting my opinion on a team I've cheered for my entire life but could care less to watch a second of this season? 

Genuinely interested in this.

No, I was just curious since you made it a point to mention your alumni and athletic competition and coaching status, presumably to explicitly define your credibility. If you’re not willing to share, that’s fine. Just say so.

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

Actually it's one poster.  But the fact remains, keeping him may result in some ugly scenes inside Assembly Hall.  It that happens its on the Administration.  

Uh no.

Fans who can't control their emotions lie solely on the individual.

Are you serious right now?

[Bowhunter]

I’ve took some time off, kind of checked out since McNeely and Mullins said no thanks.  I just want to add that I was one that wanted him gone last season. Many of my friends thought the NIL money would out weigh Woodson’s defeciencies.  My hope is that we move on and get Dusty behind the scene's, before he gets a massive extension. If there are better options, I’m happy with that too. Indiana basketball is about toughness and heart. We have no leadership.  I would like to see an interim coach take over.  We have to get this hire right this time!

[KathywithaC]

7 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

You are here on an anonymous internet forum asking for my personal information. That screams personal, visceral, and emotional reaction

I’m not asking for your name or any personal information - I just wondered if and / or when you attended IU. You’ve answered, so that’s fine.

[Mr. Hoosier Pride]

1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

No, I was just curious since you made it a point to mention your alumni and athletic competition and coaching status, presumably to explicitly define your credibility. If you’re not willing to share, that’s fine. Just say so.

Kathy's drinking again....I never mentioned anything like that.....try again

[Chris007]

8 minutes ago, 68Hoosier said:

Okay, I am following along today and feel really old.  What is DOX.

PS I have been an IU fan since the 81 championship season.  I graduated from IU in 92.  Just in case you want to DOX me.

When someone releases your personal information pubicly without your permission. 

[MikeRoberts]

6 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I can understand why so many people are infuriated by the current status of the program, but the implication from several posters is that violence could result if IU doesn’t terminate Woodson, and that’s disturbing on several levels, to say the least. Perhaps it’s just modern day fandom, but I’ve never associated it with our fans previously.

Please don’t take one posters comment and make it more than it is. That would be like me saying Indiana fans think their process is perfect because you said so.

[KathywithaC]

Just now, Mr. Hoosier Pride said:

Kathy's drinking again....I never mentioned anything like that.....try again

Sorry, you jumped into the middle of another poster’s comment. Did you attend IU?

[Pagoda]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

I don't think anybody is actually going to harm anybody either, but these same people suggesting it could happen are going to be the same people left dumbfounded once Stevens (again), May, Pearl, etc all say "No" to IU. 

We'll end up hiring the next lucky up and comer who has zero experience managing these kinds of expectations or fan base and be right back here in another 3-4 years only under a new thread title.

Rinse, wash, repeat

Ah yes, expectations and the fan base are the problem.  Yet many other basketball schools succeed, they have expectations and engaged fans too.  Same with football schools and their football programs -- many of those fan bases are far wilder than IU's.

Maybe we just need to hire a good coach.

[Home Jersey]

10 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

So somebody is going to physically harm Woodson and/or somebody from the team and yet this fan base wonders year after year why we can't ever hire anybody worth a salt?

Yeah tone deaf.

And I'm out on Woodson by the way, so you don't need to ask 1000x over. 

Very likely not the case anyone would get physically violent, but from a planning perspective, worst case scenarios should be accounted for and in a stadium of 17,000 angry people, unpredictable things can happen. Since there is no upside for keeping Woodson on as HC, you may as well eliminate that risk. Nice of you join us in the year of our Lord 2024 in being out on Woodson lol

[KathywithaC]

Just now, MikeRoberts said:

Please don’t take one posters comment and make it more than it is. That would be like me saying Indiana fans think their process is perfect because you said so.

That’s different. You’d be lying if you said that.

[CSP]

Just now, KathywithaC said:

Sorry, you jumped into the middle of another poster’s comment. Did you attend IU?

Just curious... 

Did you grow up in an Indiana household that had season tickets to IUFB and IUBB? 

[spe317]

13 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Did you attend IU? I’m just curious as to when your “fandom” began, as well as your experiences in support of the program. Wasn’t sure if that began before you arrived on campus or if you simply grew up as an IU fan and have supported them in that way. I think you gave me your answer buy I wasn’t asking in an effort to “dox” you. We’re just discussing the basketball program on an Internet forum, not solving the problems of the world, so no ill-intent exists.

Implicit bias much? 

[Silat Player]

2 minutes ago, Bowhunter said:

I’ve took some time off, kind of checked out since McNeely and Mullins said no thanks.  I just want to add that I was one that wanted him gone last season. Many of my friends thought the NIL money would out weigh Woodson’s defeciencies.  My hope is that we move on and get Dusty behind the scene's, before he gets a massive extension. If there are better options, I’m happy with that too. Indiana basketball is about toughness and heart. We have no leadership.  I would like to see an interim coach take over.  We have to get this hire right this time!

The only danger of an interim coach is a Mike Davis or Diebler situation. It would HAVE to be someone who will not be considered for the head-coaching job next year. 

There's some real talent on this team...

[Hornsby]

I can understand why so many people are infuriated by the current status of the program, but the implication from several posters is that violence could result if IU doesn’t terminate Woodson, and that’s disturbing on several levels, to say the least. Perhaps it’s just modern day fandom, but I’ve never associated it with our fans previously.

Kathy and quinn need to start the process. Or are we bringing the king back and giving him 10 million in nil?

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[Chris007]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I don't think anybody is actually going to harm anybody either, but these same people suggesting it could happen are going to be the same people left dumbfounded once Stevens (again), May, Pearl, etc all say "No" to IU. 

We'll end up hiring the next lucky up and comer who has zero experience managing these kinds of expectations or fan base and be right back here in another 3-4 years only under a new thread title.

Rinse, wash, repeat

If you and Kathy are not married, maybe you guys should DM each other. I think you would make a good couple. I'm willing to put myself and my wife out there to go out on a double date with you guys. Let me know if you two have never talked to an actual person in public and I can be the go-between to help you guys get the ball rolling. DM me if your interested :-) 

[bodsbums]

As someone who literally spends part of his day, teaching people about decision-making, I would add to this mess of the thread by saying…

1) the best decision are not made by emotion. The people who are saying that are correct.
 

2) the best decisions are made by logic and by a process. Kathy is correct in saying those things. 
 

However, in this case, logic and a reasonable process of evaluating data and history, paint us to the fact that a separation is necessary. When a separation becomes necessary it’s best to do it immediately rather than dragging it out. The emotional argument here isn’t to get rid of him. The emotional argument is to keep- ie, letting him retire with dignity as a program legend. 
 

plenty of data backs up the idea that he needs to go so you do it once your processes and your logic (data) show you this. As another poster said previously when you determine a patient is ill you don’t wait and hope that the disease will miraculously turn around or cure itself… you take the necessary steps to start fixing the problem immediately. 
 

again, having said that I will say you can’t just fire someone without any plan. You have to have a logic based plan on how you are going to deal with the interim as well as the long-term solution. Based on past experience, I struggle to see IU excelling here. In summary, that someone who deals with this a lot and also is a coach, albeit at a much lower level- I think they should move on immediately, but need to rapidly have a solid plan in place. No real good solutions to this problem that they should have solved last off-season. I apologize for the length to anyone who’s stuck with this.