They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Trish]

Good morning! Today's a great day for the tank train to get back on the rail!

[AH1971]

5 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Maybe a little, but it's mostly job performance.  The things most people noticed were (i) we finished the season in the 90's (as in over 90 teams were ahead of us) in the NET and KenPom, not close to making the tourney, and (ii) we had no (zero) HS recruits.  That's very bad.

He had a single bad year. If every coach who had a single bad year was met with this type of reaction there’d be no more coaches. And getting this caught up on HS recruiting when there’s all out free agency in college basketball is certainly a choice.

[Pagoda]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

He had a single bad year. If every coach who had a single bad year was met with this type of reaction there’d be no more coaches. 

When a coach has three years to build up a program and year three is a total disaster on the court and recruiting, it's obvious he isn't the guy and there are many better options out there.  The goal is to have the best possible coach at IU.

I get it, you like Woody a lot.  That's fine it's a free country.

[Hoosierfan2017]

6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Sure enough.

But years one and two went pretty well. However, when a coach in his mid 60’s is at the helm there’s a win-now dynamic that needs to trend toward an ultimate success without much drop off.

 

Year 1 was pretty meh. We finished the regular season 18-12 and 9-11 in the conference, managed to sneak into the tournament after winning a couple of BTT games, before getting curb stomped by Saint Mary’s in the round of 64. 

Year 2 was better but underwhelming compared to the preseason expectations, and it too ended with a blowout loss early in the tournament. 

Combine the on-court results with his very prickly personality and lackluster effort on the recruiting trail and it’s crystal clear that this isn’t just about one “true fans” incident.

[AH1971]

4 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

When a coach has three years to build up a program and year three is a total disaster on the court and recruiting, it's obvious he isn't the guy and there are many better options out there.  The goal is to have the best possible coach at IU.

I get it, you like Woody a lot.  That's fine it's a free country.

Should I list some of the disaster year 3 records for some of the coaches at other schools that many on here are advocating for?

[Hoosierfan2017]

14 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

What is Woody’s public persona? He’s arrogant and egotistical? Fits the persona of 95% of those who coach at high level jobs. People felt they were personally wronged on senior day. I stand by that.

This thread had 670 pages before senior day.

[AH1971]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

This thread had 670 pages before senior day.

That’s a lot of butt hurts fans lol

[Hoosierfan2017]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

That’s a lot of butt hurts fans lol

Oh yes, fans were so butthurt about senior day that they created a 670 page Fire Mike Woodson thread before senior day ever happened. 

[Eagle’s Rug]

6 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Should I list some of the disaster year 3 records for some of the coaches at other schools that many on here are advocating for?

Please do

[Pagoda]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

Should I list some of the disaster year 3 records for some of the coaches at other schools that many on here are advocating for?

I'll pass, I doubt your arguments will be any good judging from your posts.

You do realize this is a thread about firing Mike Woodson?  There is a Do Not Fire Mike Woodson thread that is a better fit for your viewpoints.

[AH1971]

Just now, Redleader said:

Please do

-Bruce Pearl was 18-14 at Auburn in year 3, redacted to 6-14 after having to forfeit 12 of those wins because they used two players implicated in the FBI probe

-Dusty May was 13-10 at FAU in year 3

 

[Hoosierfan2017]

6 minutes ago, Redleader said:

Please do

And also let us know how many of them were 66 years old. 

[Stuhoo]

10 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

-Bruce Pearl was 18-14 at Auburn in year 3, redacted to 6-14 after having to forfeit 12 of those wins because they used two players implicated in the FBI probe

-Dusty May was 13-10 at FAU in year 3

 

A few observations:

13-10 at FAU in year three was considered pretty damn good when Dusty did that. That was the equivalent of IU football going 7-5 pre-Cig.

When Bruce Pearl had a bad year three it was at a football crazy school with lower expectations. And Pearl was much younger than Woody was in that year three. And Pearl had seven straight NCAA appearances at Tennessee, including three sweet 16s or better.

[Home Jersey]

4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

And also let us know how many of them were 66 years old. 

With zero previous CBB coaching experience. With a sub .500 NBA record. Who hadn’t been a head coach for 7 years when he was hired.

[AH1971]

8 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

A few observations:

13-10 at FAU in year three was considered pretty damn good when Dusty did that. That was the equivalent of IU football going 7-5 pre-Cig.

When Bruce Pearl had a bad year three it was at a football crazy school with lower expectations. And Pearl was much younger than Woody was in that year three. 

Pearl was 58. But my point is that those guys weren’t fired after disaster third seasons (like the person I responded to suggested) and instead given time to correct their mistakes. IU is 13-3, 4-1 in the B10 with some incredible opportunities ahead and yet most seem to be fixated on some fantasy that Brad Stevens can’t say no a third time. 

[IUHoosierJoe]

40 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I would say for most, it’s a bit about what you just posted and more than a bit about job performance. I also think it’s more than a little bit about Woody’s public persona, which clearly rubs many the wrong way whether he’s a really good guy or not.

You may not agree with the persona dislike by so many, but it’s real and it’s relevant. 

I think it’s also, especially for us older(ish) alumni, the fact that a program with limitless potential has generally underachieved for 30 years.  That may not be fair to Woodson or whoever the current coach is, but it’s just going to be a fact of life at IU.  Because of the poor coaching hires and lack of success, fans understand the warning signs of failure pretty quickly and have grown weary of the excuses for it.

[Hoosierfanyuh]

Let’s make it clear It goes way beyond just the bad third year of why people want him gone lol

[Eagle’s Rug]

14 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

-Bruce Pearl was 18-14 at Auburn in year 3, redacted to 6-14 after having to forfeit 12 of those wins because they used two players implicated in the FBI probe

-Dusty May was 13-10 at FAU in year 3

 

So just those 2 coaches then?

[Hoosierfan2017]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Pearl was 58. But my point is that those guys weren’t fired after disaster third seasons (like the person I responded to suggested) and instead given time to correct their mistakes. IU is 13-3, 4-1 in the B10 with some incredible opportunities ahead and yet most seem to be fixated on some fantasy that Brad Stevens can’t say no a third time. 

Bruce Pearl turned 57 in March of his third season. Mike Woodson turned 66 in March of his third season. You’re talking about a 9 year difference in age. The conversations about Mike Woodson would be much different if he was 9 years younger right now than he currently is. 

[IUHoosierJoe]

43 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

And getting this caught up on HS recruiting when there’s all out free agency in college basketball is certainly a choice.

I think this is arguably a valid point.  On the other hand, when you can’t get any of the top Indiana high school kids to come here, you’re throwing away one of the biggest inherent advantages this program has.