They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Kentuckysucks]

2 minutes ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

For me, there are several things. First was the Pierre Pierce thing. Still can't believe that, and he only apologized to the the UCLA job.

He was pretty good at Manchester College, and good enough at SW Missouri State to get the Iowa gig. But his record since then has been a series of ups and downs.

He does recruit better than Woodson, but so do you and I.

Was excellent at New Mexico.  Probably should've stayed there.

[68Hoosier]

4 minutes ago, lillurk said:

 

I think the quick answer is something like

1. He got a shot at a blue blood and didn’t get past the S16, and

2. he’s not at an age where he’s a long term upside play.

There’s more too. Mishandled at least one player misconduct situation egregiously, doesn’t move the needle with recruits, so on.

At least when IU hired CMW you could say he had some NBA guys in his corner, league connections would appeal to recruits, he had some theoretical pluses. Alford doesn’t even have that juice.

I have heard those same things but if you look at where we are we have only made the Touney 2 times in the last ??? years.  We got a guy right now that is old enough to be his dad, and we have some who would bring back Sampson in the name of winning.  If you know your limitation as we did when we hired CMW then we could put the same type of GM in place to help with areas, we think he lacks. 

 

Not saying he is the man just saying we have done way worse based on the standards we are holding him to, IMO.

 

[JF87]

4 minutes ago, lillurk said:

 

I think the quick answer is something like

1. He got a shot at a blue blood and didn’t get past the S16, and

2. he’s not at an age where he’s a long term upside play.

There’s more too. Mishandled at least one player misconduct situation egregiously, doesn’t move the needle with recruits, so on.

At least when IU hired CMW you could say he had some NBA guys in his corner, league connections would appeal to recruits, he had some theoretical pluses. Alford doesn’t even have that juice.

I think you're mostly right about Alford.  That window is now closed. I don't think Alford would have attracted out-of-state top 30 guys like Woodson has.  However, I do think about 20 years ago, he would have dominated in-state recruiting. Alford would have been a consistent winner at IU, but the Sweet 16 is about his ceiling. 

[RoncalliHoosier]

8 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Was excellent at New Mexico.  Probably should've stayed there.

He was good with wins/losses - won at a 75% clip.

But he was in the Mountain West Conference, not a P4 school. His post season record was pretty unspectacular:

NIT first round, NIT second round (twice), NCAA round of 64, NCAA round of 32 (twice). 

So, yeah, he got his team into A post season tournament, but never got past the second round.

[68Hoosier]

4 minutes ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

He was good with wins/losses - won at a 75% clip.

But he was in the Mountain West Conference, not a P4 school. His post season record was pretty unspectacular:

NIT first round, NIT second round (twice), NCAA round of 64, NCAA round of 32 (twice). 

So, yeah, he got his team into A post season tournament, but never got past the second round.

so, he went to the NCAA tournament more than Woodson and Miller combined at new mexico.   Plus he has won the BTT more than IU.

[RoncalliHoosier]

1 minute ago, 68Hoosier said:

so, he went to the NCAA tournament more than Woodson and Miller combined at new mexico.  

So did Mike Davis and Tom Crean. What's your point?

[68Hoosier]

1 minute ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

So did Mike Davis and Tom Crean. What's your point?

No point just saying we are in a bad spot, and I don't understand the standards he is being held to.

[coonhounds]

We will never know so it don't matter! I would bet a ton though if the hire was alford and not mediocre mike we would be rolling right now. He is a he'll of a coach. He wouldn't need nba guys in his corner as I believe his indiana ties would have helped in recruiting. Now back to firing Mike woodson!

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[68Hoosier]

Just now, coonhounds said:

We will never know so it don't matter! I would bet a ton though if the hire was alford and not mediocre mike we would be rolling right now. He is a he'll of a coach. He wouldn't need nba guys in his corner as I believe his indiana ties would have helped in recruiting. Now back to firing Mike woodson!

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Fire Mike Woodson!!!!!  LOL

[JSHoosier]

3 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

We will never know so it don't matter! I would bet a ton though if the hire was alford and not mediocre mike we would be rolling right now. He is a he'll of a coach. He wouldn't need nba guys in his corner as I believe his indiana ties would have helped in recruiting. Now back to firing Mike woodson!

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Well he'd be the best coach we've had since Crean.

[str8baller]

34 minutes ago, JF87 said:

Why not offer Painter?  We've got the money.  Even if he doesn't come, Purdue will have to pony up big bucks.  

He plays slow and feeds the post on offense. Everyone here knows you can’t win that way :)

[68Hoosier]

Just now, str8baller said:

He plays slow and feeds the post on offense. Everyone here knows you can’t win that way :)

with guys from Indiana.   You can't build a program like that.  LOL

[lillurk]

31 minutes ago, 68Hoosier said:

I have heard those same things but if you look at where we are we have only made the Touney 2 times in the last ??? years.  We got a guy right now that is old enough to be his dad, and we have some who would bring back Sampson in the name of winning.  If you know your limitation as we did when we hired CMW then we could put the same type of GM in place to help with areas, we think he lacks. 

 

Not saying he is the man just saying we have done way worse based on the standards we are holding him to, IMO.

 

I just think you can aim higher, even within that archetype. We should be wiser than to assume he’ll be amazing just because he went to IU, that’s not some secret sauce.

[lillurk]

30 minutes ago, JF87 said:

I think you're mostly right about Alford.  That window is now closed. I don't think Alford would have attracted out-of-state top 30 guys like Woodson has.  However, I do think about 20 years ago, he would have dominated in-state recruiting. Alford would have been a consistent winner at IU, but the Sweet 16 is about his ceiling. 

As a person who was in high school 20 years ago, I don’t think he would’ve been some special recruiter. My classmates and teammates hadn’t watched him play.

He would’ve made our parents happy, I guess.

[Hornsby]

I have heard those same things but if you look at where we are we have only made the Touney 2 times in the last ??? years.  We got a guy right now that is old enough to be his dad, and we have some who would bring back Sampson in the name of winning.  If you know your limitation as we did when we hired CMW then we could put the same type of GM in place to help with areas, we think he lacks. 
 
Not saying he is the man just saying we have done way worse based on the standards we are holding him to, IMO.
 

After another year of Woodson alford may be the best we can do. This program will be a mess next spring.

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[Hoosierinbham]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

And I guarantee you Woodson had way more talent than any of those other teams.  Tells you how bad of a coach he is

And the B1G was much worse as a conference this year as well. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

17 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

We will never know so it don't matter! I would bet a ton though if the hire was alford and not mediocre mike we would be rolling right now. He is a he'll of a coach. He wouldn't need nba guys in his corner as I believe his indiana ties would have helped in recruiting. Now back to firing Mike woodson!

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I wouldn’t go as far as to call him a hell of a coach, but he’s definitely better than Woodson and would likely have above average results here. Probably similar to at UCLA. 

[68Hoosier]

1 minute ago, Hornsby said:

After another year of Woodson alford may be the best we can do. This program will be a mess next spring.

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I think we are a mess now.... LOL

[JSHoosier]

2 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

After another year of Woodson alford may be the best we can do. This program will be a mess next spring.

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The program is a mess now. 

[Hoosierinbham]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

I would remove Tony Bennett and Bruce Pearl from the list for next year. Probably even Scott Drew just because it sounds like Louisville made him a generous offer and he said no if Dusty gets the job.

No way IU goes after Will Wade even though everything he did is legal now. 

Just not sure what are choices are. 

He's probably one job away from being ready, but I know for a fact Samford's coach Bucky McMillan wants to coach a blue blood program and would take the IU job in a heartbeat.  He plays a fun brand of attacking basketball on offense and defense, and can really coach and recruit. He also won numerous large school state titles at a high school that had never been very good in basketball.  Just a flat out winner.   If they pull a couple upsets, he could become a hot name.