Soon to RETIRE Coach Woodson Thread

[Golfman25 6,014]

33 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Regardless of what Woody does from here, that does not diminish the fact that he was a great player at IU. 

People are on here are saying he wasn't and that it's his fault we didn't win an NCAA title when he was playing. That's just absurd. 

 

But that is what happens when you destroy your legacy.  

[AH1971 1,914]

7 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

I'm the one you're referring to an I wasn't watching IU basketball as a baby. Sorry. I vaguely remember the '87 team and didn't really get into IU basketball until the early 90's, over 10 years after Woodson was gone.

Plus, he doesn't get brought up in IU all time lists that happen over and over on IU fan discussion boards, even by those who would have watched him play. I've seen plenty of names of players from the 50s an 60s but not him.

But enlighten me, what was the best IU game you watched as a 1 or 2 year old?

I was born the same year George McGinnis played at IU, don't remember him playing...obviously. But I sure as hell had heard about him before a few years ago. Mike Woodson finished 2nd all-time in career scoring at the time he graduated and was recently bumped outside the top 5 this prior season by TJD. He was one of the best defenders in program history. Outside Cheaney and McGinnis, you could make a legitimate case he's the best player at IU to never win a title. And he was also one of the better Knight NBA players that Coach RMK produced. 

[go iu bb 7,177]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I was born the same year George McGinnis played at IU, don't remember him playing...obviously. But I sure as hell had heard about him before a few years ago. Mike Woodson finished 2nd all-time in career scoring at the time he graduated and was recently bumped this prior season by TJD. He was one of the best defenders in program history. Outside Cheaney and McGinnis, you could make a legitimate case he's the best player at IU to never win a title. And he was also one of the better Knight NBA players that Coach RMK produced. 

I've heard plenty of McGinnis. HIs name is brought often when discussing IU greats. I cant help it that Woodson's name doesn't come up, I just know that it doesn't. Not by the people I talked to growing up nor on IU message boards, which I've been on for nearly 30 years. Don't know what else to tell you. /shrug

[AH1971 1,914]

3 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

I've heard plenty of McGinnis. HIs name is brought often when discussing IU greats. I cant help it that Woodson's name doesn't come up, I just know that it doesn't. Not by the people I talked to growing up nor on IU message boards, which I've been on for nearly 30 years. Don't know what else to tell you. /shrug

I'd love to see what message boards you discourse on that doesn't include Woodson as a top 15 or so Hoosier? 

[OKHOOSIER 4,000]

Nothing he did as a player has anything to do with Mike Woodson, bad basketball coach. I haven’t said anything about Mike Woodson as a player, because I never saw Mike Woodson play basketball. I have only watched Mike Woodson coach basketball, and Mike Woodson is not good at coaching college or NBA basketball. This is a really strange argument right now you guys are having lol. Fire Mike Woodson. 

[LamarCheeks 20,249]

12 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

But that is what happens when you destroy your legacy.  

Guess people just aren't smart enough to separate Woody the IU coach from Woody the IU player. 

[AH1971 1,914]

Just now, LamarCheeks said:

Guess people just aren't smart enough to separate Woody the IU coach from Woody the IU player. 

Correct. I will assure you nobody from Georgetown is discounting Patrick Ewing's legacy. 

[Golfman25 6,014]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Correct. I will assure you nobody from Georgetown is discounting Patrick Ewing's legacy. 

Was Patrick Ewing a **** or just a bad coach?   

[AH1971 1,914]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

Was Patrick Ewing a **** or just a bad coach?   

Well he refused to resign so you tell me. 

[Hoosierfan2017 22,545]

13 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I'd love to see what message boards you discourse on that doesn't include Woodson as a top 15 or so Hoosier? 

www.nottruehoosiers.net 

[kottke 812]

Not sure if this was already posted. Looks like Byington is going to Vandy:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbilt/2024/03/25/vanderbilt-basketball-hire-mark-byington-coach-james-madison-jerry-stackhouse/73094599007/

[Magisterium 395]

5 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Lol - I'll bite.

It's not likely for Woodson/IU, or for any team, but are you saying that if IU went to the Final Four next season you would still want Woodson fired? If we won the National Championship next season you would not want him brought back?

 

If Woodson won 18-20 games next season (including multiple blowout losses), finished 6th or 7th in conference and got into the NCAAT as a #12 or #14 seed, then lost during the first weekend, would you feel he should be retained?

I suspect he would be (unless he voluntarily decided to retire). If nothing else, that kind of scenario seems more likely to me than a deep tournament run and as such it’s a potential dilemma I’m more worried about than the opposite one.

[IUCrazy2 2,578]

10 minutes ago, kottke said:

Not sure if this was already posted. Looks like Byington is going to Vandy:

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbilt/2024/03/25/vanderbilt-basketball-hire-mark-byington-coach-james-madison-jerry-stackhouse/73094599007/

There were a bunch of "hot" coaches that came off the market the past few days.  2 of them are going to be in our conference next year at Washington and Michigan.

I am not looking forward to next year at all.  You know there is no plan and frankly it feels like we are just setting ourselves back even more at a time when it is a coaching buying market.  I am expecting the typical Indiana thing where we stick with a bad coach one year too long, we don't get any of the pie in the sky "proven coaches" we want, and then we are forced to settle for some guy that excites no one and ends up being another 5 year plug in.

I am a doomer at this point.  Woodson supposedly taking time off for his birthday when we said we were staying out of a tournament to focus on recruiting is so on brand for him.  I literally don't give a **** about what he did in 1980.  He just sucks.

[Silat Player 866]

5 hours ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

Yeah, things change, but a couple of weeks earlier, Trilly had Gallo all packed up and headed to South Bend. Now there's a bump in NIL, and suddenly there's no other coach that Gallo would want to play for? Kind of makes one wonder.

Has anyone considered that maybe "Trilly" isn't quite as connected as everyone seems to think? Occam's razor here...

[kottke 812]

5 minutes ago, Silat Player said:

Has anyone considered that maybe "Trilly" isn't quite as connected as everyone seems to think? Occam's razor here...

Yeah I canceled my membership with his Discord. I think he has legit sources but some of this stuff is just to fluid to really know.

[JF87 1,749]

1 hour ago, LamarCheeks said:

Guess people just aren't smart enough to separate Woody the IU coach from Woody the IU player. 

Certainly not Scott Dolson or Quinn Buckner.   :)

[Stuhoo 83,765]

1 hour ago, Magisterium said:

If Woodson won 18-20 games next season (including multiple blowout losses), finished 6th or 7th in conference and got into the NCAAT as a #12 or #14 seed, then lost during the first weekend, would you feel he should be retained?

I suspect he would be (unless he voluntarily decided to retire). If nothing else, that kind of scenario seems more likely to me than a deep tournament run and as such it’s a potential dilemma I’m more worried about than the opposite one.

Nope.

My favorite option would’ve been if they’d retired him and hired Dusty May this year.

But my point is, if he exceeds beyond all wildest expectations, then he certainly deserves to continue.

[Silat Player 866]

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Nope.

Nope.

My favorite option would’ve been if they’d retired him and hired Dusty May this year.

But my point is, if he exceeds beyond all wildest expectations, then he certainly deserves to continue.

Ah, but what are these "wildest expectations?" That's the fly in the ointment. And who determines what these nebulous expectations are? 

I would assume that Woody's pal Buckner has much less lofty expectations than you or I might have...

Edited March 25, 2024 by Silat Player

[OKHOOSIER 4,000]

4 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Nope.

Nope.

My favorite option would’ve been if they’d retired him and hired Dusty May this year.

But my point is, if he exceeds beyond all wildest expectations, then he certainly deserves to continue.

You posed the best case scenario hypothetical, so what about worst case. Say we start the season something like 5-5 or get to January in 16th, 17th, or 18th place and trending towards missing the BTT. Would you be in favor of a mid season firing? Or do we just ride it out? This is the problem behind the “former player vs. current coach” debate IMO. And for the record, while personally I would still prefer to find the coach of the future, if he somehow goes to a EE or FF he’s coming back and would deserve to. I’m not even willing to entertain the idea of him winning a natty with team mercenary hahaha 

[Magisterium 395]

31 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Nope.

Nope.

My favorite option would’ve been if they’d retired him and hired Dusty May this year.

But my point is, if he exceeds beyond all wildest expectations, then he certainly deserves to continue.

My point is that I suspect the ACTUAL expectations for Woodson next season will be minimal, possibly to the extent that simply making the tournament will be enough. Exceeding expectations may not even be an issue in that case. It may be that any serious discussion about a change next winter could only be triggered by another instance of missing the NCAAT.

And even then we will have the same BOT Chair (until 7/1/2025) and donors (I’m tempted to call them “owners” at this point) in place during any hypothetical coaching search, which imo would not be an encouraging sign.