Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[IU - Kaulie 1,920]

21 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

With zero non conference wins and really no wins to date outside of 2 "on paper" wins... Yea I don't see it. We've yet to beat a team that'll actually make the NCAA tourney.

If we were to get to 11, there is going to be some quad one wins included.  10 and we are on the bubble.  11 and it’s automatic.

[IU_FanClub 1,712]

4 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

One of those involve some emails?

There was a bunch of buzz about some Mgbako emails online on Friday but then it went away pretty quick I assumed that was just him liking the fire Woodson instagram post

[Chris007 45,743]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

No way did they talk to the staff about an interim plan.  These kind of changes don't happen like that.  Even if Dolson tried, the assistants would say: "Mike is the coach and we are 100% behind him.  We are not having his conversation."  Then they would walk out.  Now, once he's let go, then it's every many for himself -- trying to keep their job and angling for the next one.  

Well I know for a fact that one staff member did say that. I think one staff member said he would move to be an assistant. Then maybe they know who will be the interim.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,797]

4 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

I won't comment on whether 11-9 or 10-10 in conference gets us in any tournament.  However, as I have said, the math still works and looking at it further, it is a possibility.  Face it, while the offense/defense schemes are dysfunctional, this team does have talent.  Which means when they want to use it, they can probably beat anybody in the Big10.  

"It's hard to win on the road" but they already stole 2 road wins, which is above (admittedly lowered) expectations.  No reason we can't beat NW on the road (we are far superior in talent) and Maryland at home.  Purdue away is an L.  Wisconsin at home is an L -- they have had our number for a while now.  Michigan is beatable at home, but it is a dreaded Sat. morning game -- to me it's a toss up.  I am sure Woodson would like nothing more than to put the kid (and heir apparent) Dusty in his place.  At Mich state is a L.  UCLA is turning out to be meh and Kevin Mick Cronin is melting down.   Should be able to beat them at home.  Purdue at home is a toss up -- but leaning L.  Penn State at home -- already beat them, should be able to squeak one out.  Washington is a bottom feeder, so could pick up another road win.  Lose to Oregon on the road.  Finish up with Ohio State at home -- could definitely win that one.  

So we could be 10-8 without Michigan and Ohio State at home.  Split them an we are 11-9.  Realistically we could be anywhere from 9-11 to 12-8.  

Sorry, but Woodson isn't going anywhere until the rest of the season plays out.  It's just reality folks.  No jumping off bridges please.  :)    

If our 11 conference wins are...

Minnesota(sucks)

Rutgers(sucks)

At Penn State(non NCAA tourney team, not as good as thought to be)

USC(not good)

At Ohio State(won't make the tourney likely, not as good as thought to be)

at Northwestern(non tourney team)

Maryland(meh, super bubble, hard to say if they'll make the tourney or not)

UCLA(tourney team? Maybe? Maybe not?)

Penn State

At Washington (terrible)

Ohio State

Yea I don't see those 11 conference wins getting you in. I don't care about what quad wins you have, committee looks at that subjectively enough to know, that isn't a good resume attached to a resume with zero accomplishments in the non conference outside of getting blown out. So I think they have to win 12+ and 1 or more has to be stealing a win over Purdue, Wisconsin or Michigan State.

[IU Prof 908]

Winning the following games would get IU to 11 conference wins, but I don't think they'd be in the Dance: @ NW, vs. MD, vs. UCLA, vs. PSU, @ Wash, vs. OSU. 

I know some of those will technically be Quad 1, but by the end of the year the only plausible NCAA teams we'll have defeated would be UCLA and Maryland. I really don't think that's anywhere close to good enough, absent a run to the B1G tourney finals.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,797]

3 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

If we were to get to 11, there is going to be some quad one wins included.  10 and we are on the bubble.  11 and it’s automatic.

So will a bunch of other teams in the Big Ten, Big 12 and SEC. There are going to be Q1 wins everywhere for those conferences. It's always that way. Problem for the B1G... It's just not a very good conference this year.

[Uspshoosier 46,397]

20 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

With zero non conference wins and really no wins to date outside of 2 "on paper" wins... Yea I don't see it. We've yet to beat a team that'll actually make the NCAA tourney.

Non conference really don’t matter if they get those wins in conference.   Getting non conference wins makes life easier however not required when you play in the second best conference for the year.    Yes the B1G technically is down but with how the committee views things they are the second best.   Providence is a Q2 win(yep I know they are not good).  Not all resume wins have to be against tournament quality.    IU has 0 Q3 losses currently and don’t have anymore on the schedule.   6 more wins in the B1G to get them to 11-9 is going to produce Q1 and Q2 wins.   IU isn’t going to be compared to Auburn or Duke when they are at the bottom of the bubble.    From a bracketologist point of view the resumes of the bottom teams are going to have flaws.    Not saying it’s right but I know how these mostly turn out.    Iu would be in good position at 11-9 with where the B1G teams they still plays NET are currently at.   These teams will beat each other up and since they are all mostly in the top 70s you won’t see many drop much lower then where they are now 

[IU Prof 908]

Also, while I understand why some want Woodson fired ASAP, IU is currently tied for 5th in the B1G, and just a half game out of 4th. Plus the overall record is 14-5.

I totally get why the record doesn't tell the full story, but it would be VERY out of character to fire a HC (especially one who is a program legend) under those circumstances. And I also don't think the prospect of fans merely chanting to fire him is really as big a deal as some here believe.

My best guess is that Dolson was getting a contingency in place, but at this point it would take a 3 or 4 game losing streak, with a couple more blowouts, to make a move.

[RaceToTheTop 26,313]

1 minute ago, IU Prof said:

Also, while I understand why some want Woodson fired ASAP, IU is currently tied for 5th in the B1G, and just a half game out of 4th. Plus the overall record is 14-5.

I totally get why the record doesn't tell the full story, but it would be VERY out of character to fire a HC (especially one who is a program legend) under those circumstances. And I also don't think the prospect of fans merely chanting to fire him is really as big a deal as some here believe.

My best guess is that Dolson was getting a contingency in place, but at this point it would take a 3 or 4 game losing streak, with a couple more blowouts, to make a move.

A three or four game losing streak with a couple more blowouts likely ends any chance of making the tournament.

[AZ Hoosier 7,692]

1 hour ago, maharkn said:

Moye and fife in the building today, is one of them going to finish this out

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48 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Seriously?  Based off what happened to Fife from Woodson, I didn’t think he would step back on campus again as long as Woodson was the coach!  Wait a minute!

That would be the most awesome "in your face" possible to fire Woodson and bring Fife in as interim to finish the season... it would never actually happen... but, man, that would be a sweet move by Dolson.

[Ghost of Rick Majerus 819]

I've been hiding this season because it's depressing to see our proud program in its current state. To be frank, I'm just tired of seeing this program underachieve while so many other programs have it figured out. 

Like all of you, I'm ready for a change. I was hopeful for one last year. That being said, I do sometimes still hold out hope that they will make the tournament this year. But then I ask myself why? Squeak into the tournament and then get embarrassed on national TV (i.e. St Marys, Miami). 

 

[steubenhoosier 1,014]

8 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

If our 11 conference wins are...

Minnesota(sucks)

Rutgers(sucks)

At Penn State(non NCAA tourney team, not as good as thought to be)

USC(not good)

At Ohio State(won't make the tourney likely, not as good as thought to be)

at Northwestern(non tourney team)

Maryland(meh, super bubble, hard to say if they'll make the tourney or not)

UCLA(tourney team? Maybe? Maybe not?)

Penn State

At Washington (terrible)

Ohio State

Yea I don't see those 11 conference wins getting you in. I don't care about what quad wins you have, committee looks at that subjectively enough to know, that isn't a good resume attached to a resume with zero accomplishments in the non conference outside of getting blown out. So I think they have to win 12+ and 1 or more has to be stealing a win over Purdue, Wisconsin or Michigan State.

Minnesota- beat Michigan 

PSU- beat Purdue 

UCLA beat Oregon

USC beat Illinois 

The conference has no excellent team but anyone can win a game against anyone else.

Interesting to see how the selection committee looks at this 

[AZ Hoosier 7,692]

1 hour ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I mean, the athletic director wanting to move on but not being able to doesn’t inspire confidence. 

 

38 minutes ago, Rico said:

It sure as hell doesn't.

It's Indiana! It's Indiana!

[Hornsby 2,249]

Yeah he is. Pam is ready to move on this time. It’s not just his basketball results this time. There have been other things that the administration is tired of.

Would not be his arrogance and blowing off the women's team?

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[maharkn 1,791]

Seriously?  Based off what happened to Fife from Woodson, I didn’t think he would step back on campus again as long as Woodson was the coach!  Wait a minute!

I find it kind of weird with all that is going on that he would be back in the hall.

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[Papacap 547]

37 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

I am 

And it may happen. But the same smoke was there last year. Some were saying it was basically done. Until it wasn’t. I just find it hard to imagine IU wouldn’t fire him last year but at 5-4 if we lose Wednesday that’s it for him. I hope so. But tea leaves mean jack **** at this point. 

[Hornsby 2,249]

It will be interesting to see which king shows up Wednesday..I wonder if he drained all his energy at ohio state. Kind of seemed like that was his super bowl game.

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[MikeRoberts 7,196]

6 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I swear, I think some of you are secretly hoping he'll get a 5th year just so you can keep up your moaning and groaning and woe is us.  HE'S GONE!   I still think it happens before our next home game but if it doesn't, definitely after we've played our last game of the season.

I can’t think of one poster on this entire forum that wants him back. 

[cthomas 6,518]

23 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Not me.  His behavior during his coaching tenure far exceeds whatever he did as a player long before I was alive.  Same with Buckner.  They're villains in my IU fandom story.  I have no other memories of them. 

I get it. We are in completely different generations and we have experienced very different periods of IU basketball. You are entitled to your viewpoint and from your perspective it's completely valid. I think we all want to see a better version of IU basketball than we have seen in a really long time. I just think it is important to recognize that in this fan base different people have seen wildly different results from this program over the years. Harry Gonso and Quinn Buckner were heroes when I was younger and deeply invested in IU athletics. It was awesome hearing the IU band play "The Mighty Quinn" before or during IU games. For some of us old guys those were great times, and no matter what is going on now, what they accomplished will always be important. End of the day, we all want what is best for IU basketball.

[MikeRoberts 7,196]

58 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

No way did they talk to the staff about an interim plan.  These kind of changes don't happen like that.  Even if Dolson tried, the assistants would say: "Mike is the coach and we are 100% behind him.  We are not having his conversation."  Then they would walk out.  Now, once he's let go, then it's every many for himself -- trying to keep their job and angling for the next one.  

I would say no way did Dolson expose “The Plan” with the assistants or he is a complete moron.

in no way does that happen without an immediate move. If that happened and an immediate move wasn’t made that is child’s play. Never in my career have I seen something like that. You don’t let subordinates know a boss is being let go unless you do it a minute after informing them.