Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[IUHoosierJoe 1,251]

40 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I would say for most, it’s a bit about what you just posted and more than a bit about job performance. I also think it’s more than a little bit about Woody’s public persona, which clearly rubs many the wrong way whether he’s a really good guy or not.

You may not agree with the persona dislike by so many, but it’s real and it’s relevant. 

I think it’s also, especially for us older(ish) alumni, the fact that a program with limitless potential has generally underachieved for 30 years.  That may not be fair to Woodson or whoever the current coach is, but it’s just going to be a fact of life at IU.  Because of the poor coaching hires and lack of success, fans understand the warning signs of failure pretty quickly and have grown weary of the excuses for it.

[Hoosierfanyuh 2,543]

Let’s make it clear It goes way beyond just the bad third year of why people want him gone lol

[Eagle’s Rug 263]

14 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

-Bruce Pearl was 18-14 at Auburn in year 3, redacted to 6-14 after having to forfeit 12 of those wins because they used two players implicated in the FBI probe

-Dusty May was 13-10 at FAU in year 3

 

So just those 2 coaches then?

[Hoosierfan2017 22,048]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Pearl was 58. But my point is that those guys weren’t fired after disaster third seasons (like the person I responded to suggested) and instead given time to correct their mistakes. IU is 13-3, 4-1 in the B10 with some incredible opportunities ahead and yet most seem to be fixated on some fantasy that Brad Stevens can’t say no a third time. 

Bruce Pearl turned 57 in March of his third season. Mike Woodson turned 66 in March of his third season. You’re talking about a 9 year difference in age. The conversations about Mike Woodson would be much different if he was 9 years younger right now than he currently is. 

[IUHoosierJoe 1,251]

43 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

And getting this caught up on HS recruiting when there’s all out free agency in college basketball is certainly a choice.

I think this is arguably a valid point.  On the other hand, when you can’t get any of the top Indiana high school kids to come here, you’re throwing away one of the biggest inherent advantages this program has.

[AH1971 1,599]

1 minute ago, Redleader said:

So just those 2 coaches then?

Oh I could do a lot more, but those seem to be the consensus 1 and 2 to replace Woodson. Peep Jay Wright and Scott Drew’s third season records when you get a minute.

[KNOBYDOX 160]

MW coaches like he is still in the NBA not CBB.When the game is over the job is done It’s other people’s job to hire the players.

[Hoosierfan2017 22,048]

5 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

I think this is arguably a valid point.  On the other hand, when you can’t get any of the top Indiana high school kids to come here, you’re throwing away one of the biggest inherent advantages this program has.

If high school recruiting wasn’t still important then you wouldn’t see top programs with the top classes. Right now the top 5 classes in 2025 are Duke, Houston, UConn, Arkansas, and Kentucky. 

The portal is a good way to fill out your team. Using it to build yours each year is a big risk. 

And it’s not like Woodson has just completely sworn off high schoolers. They offered a lot of kids in the 2025 class. They just didn’t want to play here. 

[AH1971 1,599]

13 minutes ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

Let’s make it clear It goes way beyond just the bad third year of why people want him gone lol

Of course. Ya’ll were told to chill out and took it personally.

[Pagoda 1,021]

How many other P4 schools would hire Mike Woodson to be their head coach?

Hint: 0

 

[Golfman25 5,784]

57 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

What is Woody’s public persona? He’s arrogant and egotistical? Fits the persona of 95% of those who coach at high level jobs. People felt they were personally wronged on senior day. I stand by that.

That’s because it was a stupid thing to say.  WTF is a “true fan?”   In Woody’s mind it’s just being a yes man.  They guy sucks a$$ as a coach and program builder.  Even if we win a few, the IU basketball program is worse now than when he started.  

[AH1971 1,599]

Just now, Golfman25 said:

That’s because it was a stupid thing to say.  WTF is a “true fan?”   In Woody’s mind it’s just being a yes man.  They guy sucks a$$ as a coach and program builder.  Even if we win a few, the IU basketball program is worse now than when he started.  

IU hasn’t played a tournament game since 2016 at the time Woodson was hired. Just stop.

[IUHoosierJoe 1,251]

4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

If high school recruiting wasn’t still important then you wouldn’t see top programs with the top classes. Right now the top 5 classes in 2025 are Duke, Houston, UConn, Arkansas, and Kentucky. 

The portal is a good way to fill out your team. Using it to build yours each year is a big risk. 

And it’s not like Woodson has just completely sworn off high schoolers. They offered a lot of kids in the 2025 class. They just didn’t want to play here. 

Exactly.  And again, one of the advantages we have is a fertile recruiting ground, and we have to capitalize on that.

[Golfman25 5,784]

59 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

He had a single bad year. If every coach who had a single bad year was met with this type of reaction there’d be no more coaches. And getting this caught up on HS recruiting when there’s all out free agency in college basketball is certainly a choice.

Bukkchit.  Look at the program as a whole.

[Hoosierfan2017 22,048]

6 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

IU hasn’t played a tournament game since 2016 at the time Woodson was hired. Just stop.

Yeah, because covid canceled the NCAA tournament in 2020 when IU was 20-12 and 9-11 in the conference, very comparable to the 20-13, 9-11 IU was in Woodson’s first season before the tournament. 

Woodson delivers marginally better results with enormous advantages no other IU coach had. Build the statue. 

[Golfman25 5,784]

8 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

IU hasn’t played a tournament game since 2016 at the time Woodson was hired. Just stop.

Played a tournament game. LOL   My what high standards you have.  
 

PS Archie was in before it was cancelled due to covid.  So just stop.  

[AH1971 1,599]

Just now, Golfman25 said:

Played a tournament game. LOL   My what high standards you have.  
 

PS Archie was in before it was cancelled due to covid.  So just stop.  

1 hypothetical tournament appearance in 4 years is greater than 2 appearances in 3 years?

Again, stop. As far as expectations go…you, not me, made the ridiculous assertion that IU was in a better spot under Archie than Woodson.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 85,837]

Why do some posters insist on coming in the Fire thread and poking the bear?  It's a negative thread by definition.   Why would you expect anyone to come to Woody's defense in this thread?  IMO seems to be a pretty useless waste of time.  Posters who want to defend him -- we have a Do Not Fire thread which you can post in to your heart's delight.  

[AH1971 1,599]

1 minute ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Why do some posters insist on coming in the Fire thread and poking the bear?  It's a negative thread by definition.   Why would you expect anyone to come to Woody's defense in this thread?  IMO seems to be a pretty useless waste of time.  Posters who want to defend him -- we have a Do Not Fire thread which you can post in to your heart's delight.  

Didn’t realize you had to share a universal opinion to post in certain threads. If that’s the case, please update the forum rules and I’ll own my mistake.

TIA

[str8baller 5,584]

11 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Didn’t realize you had to share a universal opinion to post in certain threads. If that’s the case, please update the forum rules and I’ll own my mistake.

TIA

If you had any conviction, you would been here when Woody dropped the ball in the non-conference. Now that he’s beat a few B1G bottom dwellers, you’re back out in full force.  I suspect we won’t see much of you during the tougher stretch coming up.  So you might as well have your fun now.