Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Trish 11,621]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

I strongly suspect that he needs:

• A conference top 3 finish (and in an 18 team conference that would be at least 14 wins) and a Sweet 16, or
• Any tourney berth and a Final Four

... to be the coach next year.

If he fills those accomplishments he adjusted a ton of things and earned the right to be back next year. But that's a very, very tall order.

Sounds fair to me, but I'd say Elite 8 with this roster on paper. I think a better coach could do something with this team.

[realTomCrean 1,543]

20 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

 Ive seen teams sucks in non con and kill it in conference I’ve also seen teams kill in non con and suck it up in conference.   You make life easier by getting those non con wins however 

2016 Hoosiers fit that mold

[Hornsby 2,090]

I’m not sure I’ve seen anyone that is bullish on him being retained no matter what, but there are people that are overly confident he is gone no matter what, stating absolutes.
to me, that is an important point of clarification. I as well as others have stated that him making the tournament COULD be enough to bring him back.  

Even if Woodson intended not to come back he can change his mind. Like you have said good luck firing a guy who just made the tournament.

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[MikeRoberts 7,051]

3 hours ago, go iu bb said:

When was the last time a high-major coach kept coaching in the last 2 years of his contract? I don't recall any but I don't follow other schools' coaching situations that closely. I highly doubt it's very often as they'll get extended before that.

So those that think he'll be back should ask themselves whether he's done enough to get an extension.

I'd think that barely getting into the tournament when the preseason expectations were competing for a B1G title and S16+ wouldn't warrant one. Or will IU be one of the few schools that lets its coach get close to the end of his contract, knowing that it hurts recruiting - it would hurt portal recruiting as well as HS.

There is little high school recruiting being done and it’s been that way. Your point about coaching into the final 2 years of a contract is valid but was WAY more valid before NIl/Transfer Portal. Anyone can assemble a team in weeks now.

similarly, I would ask, how many schools can their coach after making the tournament? There have been a few but it is very rare.

[realTomCrean 1,543]

If IU gets hot and makes the tourney, then I'm a happy fan. If IU stays on path of Woodson's tenure to date and he gets fired, then I'm happy. It's a win-win for me personally. Go Hoosiers! (Fire Mike Woodson too though!)

[Chris007 44,154]

7 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

I’m not sure I’ve seen anyone that is bullish on him being retained no matter what, but there are people that are overly confident he is gone no matter what, stating absolutes.

to me, that is an important point of clarification. I as well as others have stated that him making the tournament COULD be enough to bring him back.  

I want to be clear that what I'm saying is there have been talks about paying him to retire. Does that mean it's guaranteed to happen NOT at all. But since there were talks like that last year and Dolson got vetoed, It's hard to believe that Dolson would get told no again if he decides to go that direction. I think right now he is making sure the money is there and he has a list of people who would listen if not already know they would say yes. 

[Pagoda 542]

1 minute ago, MikeRoberts said:

There is little high school recruiting being done and it’s been that way. Your point about coaching into the final 2 years of a contract is valid but was WAY more valid before NIl/Transfer Portal. Anyone can assemble a team in weeks now.

similarly, I would ask, how many schools can their coach after making the tournament? There have been a few but it is very rare.

My hope is that top-5 NIL carries an expectation we should be somewhat close to a top-10 or 15 team, or at least S16 in terms of the tourney.  So more expectations than just making the tourney given all the money spent on the roster.  Again, I'm just hoping, I get your point.

Right now our NET and KenPom are mid-50's.  We'll see where we end up...

[Pagoda 542]

9 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

If IU gets hot and makes the tourney, then I'm a happy fan. If IU stays on path of Woodson's tenure to date and he gets fired, then I'm happy. It's a win-win for me personally. Go Hoosiers! (Fire Mike Woodson too though!)

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,976]

He's not going to get fired.  If push comes to shove and the writing's on the wall, Quinn will not let him be fired but will serve as a mediator if necessary to insure that it's a celebratory retirement thank you for you service exit.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,551]

31 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

If IU gets hot and makes the tourney, then I'm a happy fan. If IU stays on path of Woodson's tenure to date and he gets fired, then I'm happy. It's a win-win for me personally. Go Hoosiers! (Fire Mike Woodson too though!)

Making the tournament and then getting the doors blown off like Woodson’s first two seasons would be a horrible result. It would likely save his job, but it won’t make any fans happy, and it won’t solve any of the other issues with the Woodson administration. The only thing it would accomplish is subjecting us to another year of this.  

[Trish 11,621]

12 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

He's not going to get fired.  If push comes to shove and the writing's on the wall, Quinn will not let him be fired but will serve as a mediator if necessary to insure that it's a celebratory retirement thank you for you service exit.

Ah yes, a huge thank you for getting to the second round of the NCAA tourney! 

[IUFAN1976 3,293]

3 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

100% agree, but not just because of their guard play.

Konan at the 5 has really been good, though one might not know that after seeing Ballo dominate yesterday. Hicks is a very good 3/4 combo, and Rhodes is a very good coach. As Hornsby said, USC (especially) and Iowa follow, and those are both low-tier B1G teams, but Penn State? Seems like a 12-8-ish B1G team to me.

Yes, exactly all of that too

[IUFAN1976 3,293]

3 hours ago, Hornsby said:

They might but are currently 1-2. Probably need 10 wins to finish in the top half

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I think they can do that, they are a pretty good team

[Scotty R 2,208]

This is probably more tongue and cheek and don't believe it myself. Everyone expectations were to compete for the big ten and make a run in the tournament.

So far we are 3-1 and are a 1/2 out of first place with two teams at 3-0.

We are 12-3 which is only a game from what Predicted at this time

 I thought we would only lose 1 in the Bahamas and lose at Nebraska so really are we that far off from those expectations so far

[Home Jersey 7,958]

31 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

He's not going to get fired.  If push comes to shove and the writing's on the wall, Quinn will not let him be fired but will serve as a mediator if necessary to insure that it's a celebratory retirement thank you for you service exit.

I’d wager a ton of money this is exactly correct…

Under the assumption that this is actually his last year. 

[MikeRoberts 7,051]

50 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I want to be clear that what I'm saying is there have been talks about paying him to retire. Does that mean it's guaranteed to happen NOT at all. But since there were talks like that last year and Dolson got vetoed, It's hard to believe that Dolson would get told no again if he decides to go that direction. I think right now he is making sure the money is there and he has a list of people who would listen if not already know they would say yes. 

Thank you for clarifying your stance as many here look to you for tea leaves.

I think some have taken things much further and stating that he is gone regardless and I don’t believe that to be true and from what I am reading here, you don’t either.

From what I was told, Woodson doesn’t want to leave, that doesn’t mean he won’t be asked to, but any thoughts of him graciously retiring are unlikely. If he can get this team to the tournament and let’s say, win one game, that makes things very difficult for anyone wanting him gone. 
 

is making the tourney and a round of 32 what we hoped for? No, but given Indiana’s performance over the last 20+ years, that is sadly one of our better seasons. So why fire him then if we could have done it when he was coming off of a pretty lousy season?

[DChoosier 8,586]

4 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I would think Penn St could finish in the top half because of their guard play

They might finish that high. They already beat PU by 11 and only lost by 4 at Rutgers. 

Not saying PSU is a juggernaut, by any stretch of the imagination, but they aren’t complete push overs either. That being said,  I agree with Chris that it is sad PSU was favored by 7.5. 

Sounds like MR is out for a bit. Will be interesting to see how we continue to play without him and, if we continue to play better on the offensive side, how Woody will handle MR’s return. Hopefully, surely (but who knows) he sees what absolutely everyone watching the games sees when we only play one big.  I think even the guy that sleeps next to Woody must see the difference. 

[bird4par 271]

1 hour ago, Pagoda said:

I wish Armond Hill & Woody showed that much emotion on the sidelines 

[IUCrazy2 2,446]

1 hour ago, Scotty R said:

This is probably more tongue and cheek and don't believe it myself. Everyone expectations were to compete for the big ten and make a run in the tournament.

So far we are 3-1 and are a 1/2 out of first place with two teams at 3-0.

We are 12-3 which is only a game from what Predicted at this time

 I thought we would only lose 1 in the Bahamas and lose at Nebraska so really are we that far off from those expectations so far

The manner in which those games were lost kind of weighs into the feelings....

[Kentuckysucks 2,269]

2 hours ago, Hornsby said:

Even if Woodson intended not to come back he can change his mind. Like you have said good luck firing a guy who just made the tournament.

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Mike Davis made the tournament his last season.