Fire Coach Woodson Thread

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1 minute ago, IUFootballEndlessMisery said:

Does anyone feel like this team is going to go 18-14 and still act like the NIT is above them? 

With Mediocre Mike driving the bus, it's extremely possible.

[IUFAN1976 2,816]

47 minutes ago, IUFootballEndlessMisery said:

Does anyone feel like this team is going to go 18-14 and still act like the NIT is above them? 

It does feel like we are all waiting around for the big let down!

[Stuhoo 79,854]

2 hours ago, IUFootballEndlessMisery said:

Does anyone feel like this team is going to go 18-14 and still act like the NIT is above them? 

No. Not in any way, shape or form. Not in worst case scenario.

No chance of 18-14 or worse. No chance of NIT

Ballo has been a better college player than Ware. 
Hatton is better than Sparks by default. 
Sophomore Mgbako and Cupps are better than freshmen Mgbako and Cupps (especially early last season). 
Guards? Rice, Carlyle, Gallo, sophomore Cupps, Newton, and Leal are worlds better than last year’s guards. 
Goode is a better shooter than anyone we had last season. 
And we have a VERY low-key five star in the mix to go with all of those more experienced pieces.

So under worst case scenario we’re good for 20 or more wins.

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4 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

 

Tyme/Ngw posted here until people weren't buying what he was selling and he was posting during games I believe, so I doubt it was a staff member.  Someone connected or being fed information, sure, but not someone on staff.

FWIW, Tyme has not tweeted since May 16th, so it was obvious just an account that used to prop up the coaching staff.  Once portal season was over, nothing has been said.  Doesn't exactly sound like someone who is just an Indiana Hoosier fan....they had an MO of pushing an agenda and once that was completed, they exited.

Thanks for the response. I was here for all the ngw drama and follow the tyme account. It's clearly someone connected, though I don't think it was a staff member directly. You make a good observation about the timing of games and posts. 

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3 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

No. Not in any way, shape or form. Not in worst case scenario.

No chance of 18-14 or worse. No chance of NIT

Ballo has been a better college player than Ware. 
Hatton is better than Sparks by default. 
Sophomore Mgbako and Cupps are better than freshmen Mgbako and Cupps (especially early last season). 
Guards? Rice, Carlyle, Gallo, sophomore Cupps, Newton, and Leal are worlds better than last year’s guards. 
Goode is a better shooter than anyone we had last season. 
And we have a VERY low-key five star in the mix to go with all of those more experienced pieces.

So under worst case scenario we’re good for 20 or more wins.

But we have MMW as coach and is at least = or could be worse than MMW for the ‘23-‘24 season!  Could be?  
 

Tick, tock, tick, tock, etc.   Just waiting for the big let down or the proverbial shoe to drop!!!!

[Hoosierfan2017 21,005]

4 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

No. Not in any way, shape or form. Not in worst case scenario.

No chance of 18-14 or worse. No chance of NIT

Ballo has been a better college player than Ware. 
Hatton is better than Sparks by default. 
Sophomore Mgbako and Cupps are better than freshmen Mgbako and Cupps (especially early last season). 
Guards? Rice, Carlyle, Gallo, sophomore Cupps, Newton, and Leal are worlds better than last year’s guards. 
Goode is a better shooter than anyone we had last season. 
And we have a VERY low-key five star in the mix to go with all of those more experienced pieces.

So under worst case scenario we’re good for 20 or more wins.

Folks were saying the same kind thing last offseason. Where there’s a Woodson, there’s a way. 

[Stuhoo 79,854]

9 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Folks were saying the same kind thing last offseason. Where there’s a Woodson, there’s a way. 

1. No

2. There’s not just “a way” to over 20 wins at a bare minimum— it will happen. Possibly many more, but 20 at a minimum.

And as Dave said, a not-decisively good year will end the coaching contract 

[Stuhoo 79,854]

8 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

But we have MMW as coach and is at least = or could be worse than MMW for the ‘23-‘24 season!  Could be?  
 

Tick, tock, tick, tock, etc.   Just waiting for the big let down or the proverbial shoe to drop!!!!

Pretty positive that guard talent matters far more than some personal dislike for a coach 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,005]

6 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

1. No

2. There’s not just “a way” to over 20 wins at a bare minimum— it will happen. Possibly many more, but 20 at a minimum.

And as Dave said, a not-decisively good year will end the coaching contract 

You’re greatly underestimating Mike Woodson’s ability to screw things up. He only won 23 games with a senior TJD, with six of those wins being by five points or less. This past year’s team won 19 games with seven of them decided by five points or less. A few things break differently and either season would look much different. 

Plus 20 wins isn’t even save job worthy. He won 21 games his first season and it was far from a good year. 25 wins should be the absolute floor for him this season to think about saving his job. 

[Stuhoo 79,854]

4 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

You’re greatly underestimating Mike Woodson’s ability to screw things up. He only won 23 games with a senior TJD, with six of those wins being by five points or less. This past year’s team won 19 games with seven of them decided by five points or less. A few things break differently and either season would look much different. 

Plus 20 wins isn’t even save job worthy. He won 21 games his first season and it was far from a good year. 25 wins should be the absolute floor for him this season to think about saving his job. 

Not sure what the “save his job” standard will be. It’s more than 20.

With Trayce he was a top 20 team. This roster has significantly more talent than that top 20 team.

That team would’ve been screwed without 30+mpg from Gallo and Kopp. On this team Gallo and Goode project to be the first two off the bench.

Woody built a terrible roster last year. That is not a problem anymore.

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19 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Not sure what the “save his job” standard will be. It’s more than 20.

With Trayce he was a top 20 team.

This roster has significantly more talent than that top 20 team.

That team would’ve been screwed without 30+mpg from Gallo and Kopp. On this team Gallo and Goode project to be the first two off the bench.

Woody built a terrible roster last year. That is not a problem anymore.

That last line is truly it. He has to prove he can coach this roster, but he's built a strong, balanced roster. His latest quotes about guards being so important to winning in college show he is actually learning, too. We'll see, and I'll be cheering for the Hoosiers. I was a fire Mike Woodson guy, but he's survived, and now I want him to win.

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11 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Folks were saying the same kind thing last offseason. Where there’s a Woodson, there’s a way. 

If you want to compare last year's incoming roster to next year's, good luck with that.

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21 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

If you want to compare last year's incoming roster to next year's, good luck with that.

One more thing. By all accounts and per his prior performance, Myles Rice is a very talented AND very perceptive kid.

Myles Rice had one primary weakness as a freshman. Betcha he’s a 500 outside shots a day guy this summer.

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2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Not sure what the “save his job” standard will be. It’s more than 20.

With Trayce he was a top 20 team.

This roster has significantly more talent than that top 20 team.

That team would’ve been screwed without 30+mpg from Gallo and Kopp. On this team Gallo and Goode project to be the first two off the bench.

Woody built a terrible roster last year. That is not a problem anymore.

As @Hoosierfan2017 said, 25 wins should be the floor. They should be in the mix for the Big Ten championship and make it to the 2nd weekend of the NCAA. Since that team lost by double digits in 8 of their 12 losses (66.7%), getting blown out less should also happen.

Less than that would be very disappointing.

Even when he had a decent roster with an AA big man and a first round lottery pick point guard, it was only a so-so year. Good compared to recent history but far from a great year.

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16 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

But we have MMW as coach and is at least = or could be worse than MMW for the ‘23-‘24 season!  Could be?  
 

Tick, tock, tick, tock, etc.   Just waiting for the big let down or the proverbial shoe to drop!!!!

So you rather be right than see Woodson succeed 

[TTT 911]

IU men’s basketball will win at a minimum 50 games.  Yes 50 games….over the next five years.

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8 hours ago, go iu bb said:

As @Hoosierfan2017 said, 25 wins should be the floor. They should be in the mix for the Big Ten championship and make it to the 2nd weekend of the NCAA. Since that team lost by double digits in 8 of their 12 losses (66.7%), getting blown out less should also happen.

Less than that would be very disappointing.

Even when he had a decent roster with an AA big man and a first round lottery pick point guard, it was only a so-so year. Good compared to recent history but far from a great year.

I think this is a fair floor.  He is in year 4 and has what looks to be a strong roster, of his choosing.  

[IUFAN1976 2,816]

7 hours ago, Scotty R said:

So you rather be right than see Woodson succeed 

I want our basketball team to win; however, I want us to have a different coach instead of the a** of a person and coach we currently have.  

[Stuhoo 79,854]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I want our basketball team to win; however, I want us to have a different coach instead of the a** of a person and coach we currently have.  

Do you know the man? Good lord; an @$$ of a person?

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I’ve gotten the impression that people that know Mike Woodson love and respect him as a person. And yet you don’t know him personally and somehow formed that conclusion. 

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On 7/6/2024 at 3:58 AM, Stuhoo said:

1. No

2. There’s not just “a way” to over 20 wins at a bare minimum— it will happen. Possibly many more, but 20 at a minimum.

And as Dave said, a not-decisively good year will end the coaching contract 

Would you say this is Woodson’s best team ever assembled? If so where is their ceiling for you?