Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[IUc2016 7,121]

Sorry for getting this off track. FIRE WOODY

 

[Golfman25 5,753]

1 hour ago, Hornsby said:

And it's only going to he worse imo. I won't ever donate either. If they were getting paid nominal amounts I would but not when they are being paid like professionals. Lower level programs simply don't be able to compete in the long run.

 

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Within those 5 years it's going to go thru collective bargaining and revenue sharing.  Cause right now the schools keep all the TV/Conference money.  There will be some type of structure put into place.  NIL, if it still exists will probably morph into what it was intended to be -- dudes lining up their own advertising sponsorships.  Collectives and slush funds will be "illegal" and bags will go back to under the table.  

[Golfman25 5,753]

2 hours ago, IUc2016 said:

I am curious as to why you thought, college basketball players who are quite literally on TV and advertised as much if not more than most celebrities, would be paid a nominal amount for their NIL?

Because it was supposed to be based on their value as an "endorser" of products.  It has become a slush fund for "friends of the program."  

[Hornsby 2,243]

But "this" isn't "that". Doing personal appearances or sponsorship deals is one thing. There is nothing about that with the NIL deal where schools are paying players $1M to attend their school and play a sport in exchange for that money. What we now have is professional athletes disguised as amateurs.
At least the pro sports leagues have some sort of salary cap in an attempt to bring parity. There is no such "cap" on NIL spending, so it's truly a free-for-all. And if the NCAA (or some other authority) were to implement a cap, it would just return us to the days of under-the-table payments. 
Sadly, it is what it is and it is completely out of control.

Like you said they are now professional athletes and not amateurs. It's the wild west

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[Hornsby 2,243]

Yep, this is where the discrepancy is IMO for why people feel so differently about "NIL."
Name, Image, and Likeness deals like the ones you described where you'd see a guest appearance, sponsorship/commercial, etc. 
There are also collectives, which provide direct cash payments as I understand it. That is where it's less about marketability/being paid for your own name and likeness, and more about being semi-pro sports with smaller budgets and no salary cap. 
As a concept, players getting paid is fine. They basically always have been. The devil is in the detail... and the collectives are problematic for sustainable success, not to mention the long-term feasibility of smaller schools being competitive/eventually, even fielding teams. Seems like the inevitable conclusion is revenue sharing/unionization, collective bargaining, etc. 

Smaller school cannot survive in this environment. It's great for schools like iu with unlimited money but look at Indiana State. They lost everyone. Their nil is probably 10% of indiana's.

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[str8baller 5,522]

3 hours ago, TTT said:

If in January you have a soso 12 win 8 loss record….will it be well there are many new faces, man…we just have to get these guys to gel…well man….got to keep working to make the tournament.  We don’t expect NIT bids.

Hard to make a connections for any team to a roster mostly of one and two year players unless they are highly, very highly successful both, on and off court.

That’s an Indiana problem. As has been pointed out by other posters, most schools aren’t doing this and the ones that are typically aren’t successful.  
 

Of the final four teams only nc state really pieced it all together in one year and they barely made it on a miracle run. Uconn and Purdue added a guy or two a year—which isn’t wildly different from the grad transfer days. I think Bama had 2 or 3 new guys in their rotation.  
 

Between transfers, juco transfers and 1 and done or 2 and dones, a lot of the top programs have been adding 2 or 3 important rotation pieces every year anyways over the last couple decades. So consistency is still pretty important with the other 5 or 6 guys.  
 

Woody decided to go the route of adding 3 new staters and 2 or 3 more off the bench in the portal, and that’s on him. We’ll see how it plays out. 

[Hoosier DaDa 2,748]

8 hours ago, IUc2016 said:

Yep, that too. Which was a product of the dynamic guards/wings.

and not doubling Edey.

[QuinnB(BOT)(Perfectin76) 138]

Hey there, partners! 

Coach is cooking, huh?

 

[Alford Bailey 12,415]

So the locker room ended up being fine, we kept all the valuable players and have performed remarkably well in the portal. Been a tough offseason for a few regulars in this thread.

[str8baller 5,522]

17 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

So the locker room ended up being fine, we kept all the valuable players and have performed remarkably well in the portal. Been a tough offseason for a few regulars in this thread.

Nah…Woody is undefeated in the offseason. We like that about him. 

[Golfman25 5,753]

35 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

So the locker room ended up being fine, we kept all the valuable players and have performed remarkably well in the portal. Been a tough offseason for a few regulars in this thread.

Now get over that hump and translate it to wins on the court.  :) 

[Hornsby 2,243]

So the locker room ended up being fine, we kept all the valuable players and have performed remarkably well in the portal. Been a tough offseason for a few regulars in this thread.

I think most will wait to see them on the court before victory is declared but he should not be going 10-10 in the big ten with he group he will have. That would be a massive underachivement.

 

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[AZ Hoosier 7,676]

I think most will wait to see them on the court before victory is declared but he should not be going 10-10 in the big ten with he group he will have. That would be a massive underachivement. 
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Expect nothing less.

[IUCrazy2 2,543]

47 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

So the locker room ended up being fine, we kept all the valuable players and have performed remarkably well in the portal. Been a tough offseason for a few regulars in this thread.

The only tough offseason has been the fact Woodson is coaching these players putting a damper on the enthusiasm about landing them.

We all want to win, most of those in this thread don't think Woodson gives us the best chance to do that.  However, since some of his backers enjoy crowing about how awesome we are doing (once again) in the offseason, be prepared for some pretty harsh blowback if the wins don't match the expectations the roster should be setting.

[IUCrazy2 2,543]

11 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

I think most will wait to see them on the court before victory is declared but he should not be going 10-10 in the big ten with he group he will have. That would be a massive underachivement.

 

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Anything less than 12-8 is a failure.  Frankly I think it should be higher than that with the amount of money he was gifted to save his @$$ this Spring, but anything less than that or a seed in the tournament higher than 6 should be viewed as a failure.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,886]

58 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

So the locker room ended up being fine, we kept all the valuable players and have performed remarkably well in the portal. Been a tough offseason for a few regulars in this thread.

We’re running out of room in Assembly Hall for all these offseason banners. Is it 8 straight titles at this point?

[JSHoosier 20,461]

9 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

We’re running out of room in Assembly Hall for all these offseason banners. Is it 8 straight titles at this point?

Just take down the others, since actually winning something doesn't matter to IU.

[Hornsby 2,243]

The only tough offseason has been the fact Woodson is coaching these players putting a damper on the enthusiasm about landing them.
We all want to win, most of those in this thread don't think Woodson gives us the best chance to do that.  However, since some of his backers enjoy crowing about how awesome we are doing (once again) in the offseason, be prepared for some pretty harsh blowback if the wins don't match the expectations the roster should be setting.

I bought the hype big time before tjd's last season and we went like 22-13 with a 2nd round blowout. Even the hype last summer was pretty high. After three years I will wait and see what they can do on the court before expecting deep tourney runs, etc.

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[Hoosierfan2017 21,886]

6 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Just take down the others, since actually winning something doesn't matter to IU.

Really the offseason further supports those who wanted Woodson gone. Imagine these NIL resources with a coach who actually knows what he’s doing (and wants to actually do the job, not just have the job title). Can’t give great ingredients to a mediocre at best chef and expect him to cook a world class meal. But our donors apparently only want to give the money if Woodson’s the coach, so we’re stuck with him. I anticipate he’ll do just enough to keep his job (given IU’s astronomically low standards), and we’ll be right back here next April in the purgatory that is iubb fandom. 

[Hornsby 2,243]

Anything less than 12-8 is a failure.  Frankly I think it should be higher than that with the amount of money he was gifted to save his @$$ this Spring, but anything less than that or a seed in the tournament higher than 6 should be viewed as a failure.

I was going to say 14 wins but I figured would be called unrealistic


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