Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[IndianaSconnie90 320]

MSU is going to crush us in East Lansing 

[DChoosier 8,732]

58 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I agree with you!  I have had the chance in my life to watch them both as players and the left a good legacy as players but that all got shot to heck because of what has transpired over the last 4 years!  Now their legacy will be about bringing the entire basketball program to its knees for their own self serving interests.  

I also saw Woody and Buckner play in person (while at IU) so I compartmentalize their playing and administrative careers into two separate buckets. Both were great players (Woody had a really sweet bank shot), and I still view them that way, but on the other hand both are absolutely terrible in their current roles.

I understand why younger posters, who never saw them play, don’t see it that way.

Kind of how I view Michael Jordan…stupendous player but a horrible owner/administrator. Doesn’t diminish my opinion of him as a player.

[Motley's 85]

3 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

I also saw Woody and Buckner play in person (while at IU) so I compartmentalize their playing and administrative careers into two separate buckets. Both were great players (Woody had a really sweet bank shot), and I still view them that way, but on the other hand both are absolutely terrible in their current roles.

I understand why younger posters, who never saw them play, don’t see it that way.

Kind of how I view Michael Jordan…stupendous player but a horrible owner/administrator. Doesn’t diminish my opinion of him as a player.

Another great example is Isiah Thomas. Great college and NBA player. Terrible coach and GM. 

[IUFAN1976 3,512]

2 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

Oh I definitely agree the younger crowd remembers them more for what's happened recently; the players exist only in dusty black & white photos to them.

Woodson had already shown he's a lousy coach, but Buckner wanted his buddy to be IU HC regardless of what it meant for the program (and if he didn’t see Woodson was a lousy coach it just shows he had no business being involved at all). Woodson wanted to be IU HC regardless of what happened or he would've resigned by now, he wanted to be HC didn't need to put in the work because friends were/are protecting him. Personal interest over the program; ironic since we've said they didn't want someone bigger than the program after RMK.

He definitely proved he wanted the status and the perks without putting in the work!  He’s going out of here kicking and screaming, while making the University look bad.  It’s almost like a vendetta against the university for something he felt like he should have got!  Maybe this whole NIL triggered it all!  Heck who knows, I watch too many movies, maybe there isn’t a big conspiracy here but there sure as heck have an appearance of one!

[IUFAN1976 3,512]

15 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

I also saw Woody and Buckner play in person (while at IU) so I compartmentalize their playing and administrative careers into two separate buckets. Both were great players (Woody had a really sweet bank shot), and I still view them that way, but on the other hand both are absolutely terrible in their current roles.

I understand why younger posters, who never saw them play, don’t see it that way.

Kind of how I view Michael Jordan…stupendous player but a horrible owner/administrator. Doesn’t diminish my opinion of him as a player.

You are entitled to that and I respect that but it definitely does mine!  They tarnished the university and put a major black eye on the basketball program for their own self serving actions 

[IUHAHN81 2,275]

Just hire Brad that way if he fails, at least we know we're doomed and IU is just the place that coaches come to die. He wouldn't fail though. If IU could just hire a coach that eliminates the year to year worry of us at least making the tournament, that's a good start. There should never be a year where we are worried about THAT! 

[Hornsby 2,244]

MSU is going to crush us in East Lansing 

Woodson could cook.

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[Hornsby 2,244]

Anyone who says I hope we make the tourney is playing with fire. That gives quinn all he needs to bring this clown back.

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[IUHAHN81 2,275]

Offer Brad 10 years, 20 million and work with less NIL if you have to. Let Brad coach 3 and 4 stars that WANT to be at IU and buy all the way in. We'd win more that way anyway imo. 

[Shooter 450]

15 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Not me.  His behavior during his coaching tenure far exceeds whatever he did as a player long before I was alive.  Same with Buckner.  They're villains in my IU fandom story.  I have no other memories of them. 

Completely agree. There's likely a generational divide here. My dad remembers Woodson the player, and still supported him as coach last offseason.

Meanwhile I just see an older guy who accomplished a lot in his day, but hasn't really kept his knowledge up to date, and is unwilling to admit that his time has passed. Not a phenomenon unique to basketball. I've seen this in my line of work, and lots of you probably have too.

When IU moves on, people might look back on his entire career with more positivity. But right now he is actively damaging something really important to a lot of people. (Including him, which makes it sadder)

[WeeDerkaNaut 241]

Mgbako is not a five star, but he is also not slow. In a funk and unmotivated? Very. But when he drives into the paint off the wing or corner he's very fast and very explosive. At his size he can be a big problem offensively. Get in the paint and put it up. He was doing that a few times the last couple games and drawing fouls in the process which is always a good thing. So no more threes for Stella until she gets her groove back :P In the meantime hit the wing and cut or hit the corner to cut/sneak into the dunker's spot if Ballo/Reneau is getting collapsed on. Speaking of Reneau, he's one of my personal favorites on the team, I just wish he would actually try on defense. That goes back to motivation, which is the job of the HC to motivate his guys and teach them how to develop and improve skills. I'd have to watch more of Tucker's game to give my personal assessment on him. I admittedly haven't paid as much attention with him as I probably should. It's just disappointing for me as I see such a high ceiling with all of our players but we're stuck in the floor most of the time.

[coonhounds 9,306]

Anyone who thinks that winning at northwestern is a likely outcome has been hitting the bottle hard! They may not beat michigan today but we are likely losing the game. Possibly by alot!

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[Motley's 85]

23 minutes ago, Shooter said:

Completely agree. There's likely a generational divide here. My dad remembers Woodson the player, and still supported him as coach last offseason.

 

Maybe to some extent, but I was at IU for the latter part of Woodson's playing career. I remember him hitting the shot to beat Purdue for the NiT title. Still, I thought it was a terrible hire. I couldn't believe that his name was leaking in the press as a possible candidate for the job. 

[Kentuckysucks 2,415]

30 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

Anyone who thinks that winning at northwestern is a likely outcome has been hitting the bottle hard! They may not beat michigan today but we are likely losing the game. Possibly by alot!

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Be cautious.  Mike Woodson is a survivor.  Seems to always go on these miracle runs at the end of every season that accomplish absolutely nothing except give Quinn and co ammo to keep him around.  I guarantee you Woody is thinking…

 

[Scotty R 2,279]

49 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Anyone who says I hope we make the tourney is playing with fire. That gives quinn all he needs to bring this clown back.

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I want a coaching change but I hated how I felt watching the OSU game. I have decided I am going to root for us to win every game because I never want my team to lose. I have no control on making a coaching change so I am not going to stress about it.

[Scotty R 2,279]

40 minutes ago, Shooter said:

Completely agree. There's likely a generational divide here. My dad remembers Woodson the player, and still supported him as coach last offseason.

Meanwhile I just see an older guy who accomplished a lot in his day, but hasn't really kept his knowledge up to date, and is unwilling to admit that his time has passed. Not a phenomenon unique to basketball. I've seen this in my line of work, and lots of you probably have too.

When IU moves on, people might look back on his entire career with more positivity. But right now he is actively damaging something really important to a lot of people. (Including him, which makes it sadder)

I loved him as a player and he was a very tough player. To come back from back surgery and lead us to the big ten championship plus the big ten player of the year.

Saying that I can separate his playing career and his coaching career

[Scotty R 2,279]

17 minutes ago, Motley's said:

Maybe to some extent, but I was at IU for the latter part of Woodson's playing career. I remember him hitting the shot to beat Purdue for the NiT title. Still, I thought it was a terrible hire. I couldn't believe that his name was leaking in the press as a possible candidate for the job. 

Butch Carter hit that shot to beat Purdue 

[Hornsby 2,244]

Quinn clearly put the word out to the media to stop the insults. They went from Woodson is done to kissing his behind in a day. Quinn still has massive power and why I think year 5 is still possible. Dolson does not control bbal I will never believe otherwise.

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[Hornsby 2,244]

I want a coaching change but I hated how I felt watching the OSU game. I have decided I am going to root for us to win every game because I never want my team to lose. I have no control on making a coaching change so I am not going to stress about it.

I mean that's fine but the more wins the more likely quinn keeps him. His fan boys are out in full force. And more win and they will probably be talking extension and getting the cooks to pony up again

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[Class of '66 Old Fart 85,628]

I swear, I think some of you are secretly hoping he'll get a 5th year just so you can keep up your moaning and groaning and woe is us.  HE'S GONE!   I still think it happens before our next home game but if it doesn't, definitely after we've played our last game of the season.