Fire Coach Woodson Thread

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5 minutes ago, JerryYeagley23 said:

Agree it’s a guards game. And to that extent a 3-pt shot game in the modern era. But if we were outplayed in a majority of our games this year, what does that look like with MR and Sparks as our only bigs?? MR gets two early fouls and we play Sparks for 12 minutes in the first half? Wares rim protection alone being 7-ft was the only thing that kept teams from penetrating for layups with ease. Because our perimeter D was brutal at keeping guys in front of them. Again, all hypothetical, but without Ware, I think we win 15 games even upgrading guards. Which really makes the point that Woody needs to find another top-5 big in the portal (ala Ware) AND get two guards like Domask and Williams. Cause we lost Sparks and MR isn’t going to suddenly get quicker feet and stop fouling. Big challenge for Woody this portal. 

We were a bad rebounding team last year, especially defensively, because we gave up a ton of 3 point attempts (which lead to long misses). Having slower guys like Mgbako and Reneau guard out to the 3 point line makes for ineffective rebounding.

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5 minutes ago, dar007 said:

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Ust fire Mike woodson

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6 minutes ago, dar007 said:

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I mean I know this board can have some controversial opinions at times but DAMN!

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16 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

We were a bad rebounding team last year, especially defensively, because we gave up a ton of 3 point attempts (which lead to long misses). Having slower guys like Mgbako and Reneau guard out to the 3 point line makes for ineffective rebounding.

Touché. Fun to think about, although we’re probably in the wrong thread and I don’t want to derail. I guess it all comes back to roster construction and what your basic offensive and defensive philosophies are that you institute. Maybe that’s the unfortunate part in questioning whether we would have been better or worse with different guys/skill sets, because I don’t really know what philosophies we’re committed to or run for the most part. 

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8 minutes ago, JerryYeagley23 said:

Touché. Fun to think about, although we’re probably in the wrong thread and I don’t want to derail. I guess it all comes back to roster construction and what your basic offensive and defensive philosophies are that you institute. Maybe that’s the unfortunate part in questioning whether we would have been better or worse with different guys/skill sets, because I don’t really know what philosophies were committed to or run for the most part. 

Totally agree

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Agree. Of our late five game winning streak, 3 of the 5 were basically Ware putting us on his back like TJD used to.
27 pts, 11 reb, 5 blk on 11-12 FG (1-1 3PT)
26 pts, 11 reb, 3 ast, 3 blk on 12-16 FG (2-3 3PT)
28 pts, 12 reb, 2 blk on 13-19 FG (1-1 3PT)
Those are first team All American numbers. 

MR is a decent player but he is a foul machine. Losing ware is like losing tjd almost. Trying to replace him is going o be an almost impossible task.

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10 hours ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

Noted and sorry Kaulie

It’s no problem lol.

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14 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

MR is a decent player but he is a foul machine. Losing ware is like losing tjd almost. Trying to replace him is going o be an almost impossible task.

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Yes.  For us to be a top 25 team next year Woody needs 2 elite guards, a solid backup big, and another big almost as good as Trayce or Ware.  And MR and MM back.  

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33 minutes ago, JerryYeagley23 said:

Touché. Fun to think about, although we’re probably in the wrong thread and I don’t want to derail. I guess it all comes back to roster construction and what your basic offensive and defensive philosophies are that you institute. Maybe that’s the unfortunate part in questioning whether we would have been better or worse with different guys/skill sets, because I don’t really know what philosophies we’re committed to or run for the most part. 

I’ll keep it in this thread. Fire Mike Woodson. If our offense were heavy guard oriented, which I would love, I still haven’t seen anything from Mike Woodson that would lead me to believe he would create plays to put them in the best position. He’s commented as much. His offense has always been. Post up and iso. That was Carmelo’s entire game. Just from the wing. That’s as far outside as Woodson knows to coach. 

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55 minutes ago, BtownStrength said:

I mean I know this board can have some controversial opinions at times but DAMN!

Sometimes one letter is all you need.

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37 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Yes.  For us to be a top 25 team next year Woody needs 2 elite guards, a solid backup big, and another big almost as good as Trayce or Ware.  And MR and MM back.  

No we don’t. We immediately lower our floor the second we commit to playing two traditional big men. Reneau is not a modern 4 in any sense of the word. He’s a small ball 5 who you can protect with good perimeter defense and guards that can rebound. The less minutes Reneau plays alongside a 5, the better chance this team has. It was painfully obvious watching this team try and play two bigs at all times last year. And the two years before with Trayce and Race. IT DOESN’T WORK. 

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2 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

We ain't getting any of the top guards.  Book it.  

We’ll get a mid one, pay $500k+ in NIL, promote him like he’s a diamond in the rough potential All Big team b/c he was 12pts 5 ast in the Summit — and then blame it all on injury when he comes out with one of his wrists wrapped with a piece of tape mid-season after we struggle to beat buy teams and start to tank in the Big.

We’ll then be told to chill and that we’re not true fans when they try to run it back again with what is another obvious sinking ship year/coach/administration in 2025 - or reactively start a coaching search with the culture/program so broken, we’ll have to make a desperation hire again and get to start the cycle over! 

Enough! This athletic administration is desperate for ‘true’ leadership, not fans. Fans are the only thing that has kept the program afloat/relevant. F around like this,  this far down the years of dysfunction with your marquee program, this administration might sadly find out. 

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47 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Yes.  For us to be a top 25 team next year Woody needs 2 elite guards, a solid backup big, and another big almost as good as Trayce or Ware.  And MR and MM back.  

So we only need 2 all conference guards and an all american big.  Shouldn't be too hard for "The Closer". 

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1 hour ago, dar007 said:

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I disagree. 

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2 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

We ain't getting any of the top guards.  Book it.  

Well if they get desperate enough they could way overpay for one if they wanted. Make a guy an offer they can’t refuse 

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16 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

No we don’t. We immediately lower our floor the second we commit to playing two traditional big men. Reneau is not a modern 4 in any sense of the word. He’s a small ball 5 who you can protect with good perimeter defense and guards that can rebound. The less minutes Reneau plays alongside a 5, the better chance this team has. It was painfully obvious watching this team try and play two bigs at all times last year. And the two years before with Trayce and Race. IT DOESN’T WORK. 

Villanova under Jay Wight had a ton of success with quality guards and undersized bigs. 

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So we only need 2 all conference guards and an all american big.  Shouldn't be too hard for "The Closer". 

He will basically need three of the top 25 portal guys. Piece of cake for the nba legend.

 

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1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

Imagine not having to rely on a center to put the entire team on his back? It’s a concept that 350 some other teams have figured out except Woodson. So in a hypothetical trade off imagine giving up some rim protection for:

a) perimeter offense

b) perimeter defense 

Remember, “2’s are worth more than 3’s” as a wise coach once said.

This teams three point differential, both scoring and guarding, is literally the story of the season.

 

 

 

Not arguing that at all. Just feel that Ware was pretty clearly our best player this season, and agreed with prior post that he is underrated because of how bad our team was. Diminishing his role to just "rim protection" is an example of that.

Brice Williams and Domask are good players, but would not have transformed us into a 3 pt shooting machine. Domask was sort of a better version of Galloway - big physical guard, good finisher in the paint, sub-30% from deep.

Anyway, in 2022-23 IU had shooters on the roster. We finished 3rd in the Big Ten in 3PT percentage, yet still dead last in attempts. Unfortunately I don't see this changing much until we have a new coach.

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2 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

We ain't getting any of the top guards.  Book it.  

The chance of getting any good guards significantly decreases if we commit to play two big men…again. Good guards want spacing. They want to push and run out in transition. They want freedom of movement and the ability to make plays for themselves. None of this happens playing two bigs.
 

It’s bewildering to see the same posters who have complained all season about lack of guard play advocate for getting another elite big. We already have an elite offensive scoring big in Reneau. And he’ll be that much more effective being the only big on the floor. It’s a whole lot tougher for teams to double and dig (aspects where Malik struggles) when you have perimeter firepower. I get it, he’s not a great rebounder or rim protecting, that isn’t the end be all though to constructing a competitive roster.