Fire Coach Woodson Thread

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21 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I don’t think former star player and former manager carries the same weight with the alumni class who are being consulted. 

Oh for sure. But I wonder if what they think, or at least thought 3 years ago, is that what’s important about IU affiliation is that they have an appropriate appreciation of what they’re getting into. Clearly and from the jump Archie didn’t. I know around here we place a crazy amount of importance on the Buckner/Woody relationship factor, probably true,  but I can’t help but think if the Dusty May resume of 2024 was available in 2021 it would have taken about 2 days to hire him. 

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2 minutes ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

Sincere question:

Woodson was a pr*ck at Senior Day. His comments were vitriolic and snarky. But I truly wonder how real comments from Leal and Gallo were. By that I mean, is there any chance that Woodson whipped them up into those "pro-woody" speaches? It just seemed to me that there was a lot of overlap in both the words and the tones of their respective speeches. Maybe I'm just too suspicions, but given what's been going on with Buckner excusing his friend's laziness and lack of true effort, I have to wonder.

The cynic in me thinks it might have had more than a little bit to do with how big of a bump they each got in NIL money.  

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11 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

I think Dolson and Woody's relationship is MUCH stronger and more professional than the rage-posting online would lead you to believe. The "he'll just blow Dolson off in a post-season meeting" talk is absolute nonsense.

It probably is. That said Woodson has made numerous mistakes this year and he doesn't seem to care. He has burned bridges and thinks he can do no wrong. His senior day comments have also cost the university/athletic department money. That's why I believe that his plan will have to be something Dolson believes in or else things might not end like Mike Woodson thinks they will. Dolson is aware of the issues and isn't going to just ignore them. 

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7 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

I think Dolson and Woody's relationship is MUCH stronger and more professional than the rage-posting online would lead you to believe. The "he'll just blow Dolson off in a post-season meeting" talk is absolute nonsense.

I don’t disagree, and you are probably right. But I’ve seen plenty of c-suite types who were seemingly on great terms for the good of the organization to the public and lower level employees. Behind closed doors? Not so much. The power dynamics with people in these types of roles are just different. I would say more so in a situation such as this where you have a very loud and very impactful consumer base— the fans and alumni. Given the complete radio silence all year, I don’t think it is stretch to say it seems very possible the relationship may be strained. 

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1 minute ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

The cynic in me thinks it might have had more than a little bit to do with how big of a bump they each got in NIL money.  

Nothing defines a coach "players want to play for" than payola...lol (kinda)

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Just now, pumpfake said:

Nothing defines a coach "players want to play for" than payola...lol (kinda)

Like it or not, that's what it's become and personally I hate it.

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1 minute ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

Sincere question:

Woodson was a pr*ck at Senior Day. His comments were vitriolic and snarky. But I truly wonder how real comments from Leal and Gallo were. By that I mean, is there any chance that Woodson whipped them up into those "pro-woody" speaches? It just seemed to me that there was a lot of overlap in both the words and the tones of their respective speeches. Maybe I'm just too suspicions, but given what's been going on with Buckner excusing his friend's laziness and lack of true effort, I have to wonder.

I don't know the answer to this personally but I'm guessing there was some us against the world type message going on. I do know they got big fat raises the day before so that shaped their speeches some. 

I usually see Leal in the summer and I plan to ask him about it. It seemed out of character for him to me. 

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8 minutes ago, RoncalliHoosier said:

Sincere question:

Woodson was a pr*ck at Senior Day. His comments were vitriolic and snarky. But I truly wonder how real comments from Leal and Gallo were. By that I mean, is there any chance that Woodson whipped them up into those "pro-woody" speaches? It just seemed to me that there was a lot of overlap in both the words and the tones of their respective speeches. Maybe I'm just too suspicions, but given what's been going on with Buckner excusing his friend's laziness and lack of true effort, I have to wonder.

Well if Gallo and Leal got their deals doubled I’d imagine they felt obligated. If someone told me my salary was jumping from 500k to 1mm (made up numbers) I would defend them too lol

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41 minutes ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

Heck I used to sell my plasma 2 days a week when I was in school.  After 6 months of doing it, I was told that my plasma was special so I got a raise.  I can tell you if you went to Kilroy's right after it only took one shot and a beer to get a hell of a buzz lol.

Do I know you?  This was my life in the mid-late 90's.  From what I can remember anyway lol

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2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I don't know the answer to this personally but I'm guessing there was some us against the world type message going on. I do know they got big fat raises the day before so that shaped their speeches some. 

I usually see Leal in the summer and I plan to ask him about it. It seemed out of character for him to me. 

Coaches can have great influence on a players way of thinking and how they view certain situations. 

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2 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

The cynic in me thinks it might have had more than a little bit to do with how big of a bump they each got in NIL money.  

I’m sure you’re right, and there’s nothing cynical about it. But in Leal’s case, and this is old fashioned thinking and he’s thinking in terms of building his brand locally, if I had 1 year left in my career I’d be looking for somewhere to play 25 a night and fulfill my competitive Jones. If that means stepping down to the MAC or MVC, that’s what it means. But since he’s got about 20 IQ points on me I imagine he’s thought it through A to Z. 

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4 minutes ago, Josh said:

Do I know you?  This was my life in the mid-late 90's.  From what I can remember anyway lol

LOL I think we just missed each other '90 to 94' here maybe one year overlap? 

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7 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

It probably is. That said Woodson has made numerous mistakes this year and he doesn't seem to care. He has burned bridges and thinks he can do no wrong. His senior day comments have also cost the university/athletic department money. That's why I believe that his plan will have to be something Dolson believes in or else things might not end like Mike Woodson thinks they will. Dolson is aware of the issues and isn't going to just ignore them. 

I don't disagree with any of this. My point wasn't that Dolson's relationship with Woody will keep him from doing what he feels is right, it's that Woody is almost certainly not some insubordinate turd that's dumping on Dolson and treating him like he allegedly does Teri Moren. That is message board nonsense. I'd put the farm on it.

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2 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I’m sorry everyone for making this comment.  No matter what happens in that meeting, MW will be back next year as our, like it or not!  I don’t like it myself but that is what is going to happen.  Also, I don’t know what the total infatuation with Dusty May is.  I’ve said this before and stand by it, I want to see more from Dusty May before we hire him as out next coach.  I still would rather have a proven P5 coach over him.  I definitely am not a Quinn Buckner supporter but I agree with him if he views Dusty May as possibly Archie Miller 2.0.  This program needs to get this hire right, and if we have another Archie Miller, it could set us back at least 10+ years and my life ain’t getting any shorter.  We need to start winning now and with a proven P5 coach.

I understand this position, a May hire has questions and uncertainties for sure.

But, if there were only two choices and they were: another year of Woodson, or a May hire, put me down for the May hire.

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6 minutes ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

LOL I think we just missed each other '90 to 94' here maybe one year overlap? 

94 to 99.  You missed the free happy hour taco bar at Kiltoy Sports.  So take that special plasma money to Sports, eat a ton of free tacos and slam a couple beers.  Go home and nap it off lol

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41 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

It's easier to say that to the media than it is your boss. 

Perhaps. I mean, I understand the concept. But with godfather Quinn, do you really think that Woodson fears or respects or even cares Dolson and what he might say?

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7 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

I don't disagree with any of this. My point wasn't that Dolson's relationship with Woody will keep him from doing what he feels is right, it's that Woody is almost certainly not some insubordinate turd that's dumping on Dolson and treating him like he allegedly does Teri Moren. That is message board nonsense. I'd put the farm on it.

I think the only way that Woodson doesn't get another year is if Dolson decides he has a very bad plan moving forward. That said Dolson has been growing frustrated with some of the stuff Woodson has been doing. That part isn't message board nonsense. 

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31 minutes ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

So this back channeling thing is the new cheating, that will go unchecked correct?  I can see Bill Self back channeling Liam "Hey do you really want to play in that inside out antiquated system Woody runs?"

Yes. The NCAA has zero power to stop them. Even if they tried, the schools and states would lawyer up and sue the NCAA. Virginia and Tennessee already did. There is no governing body so it’s chaos. And there truly is no cap. So even though IU may have upped their NIL by 33%, the entirety across the board may have gone up 20%. So it’s not the increase everyone might think it is. 

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34 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

That was my biggest take away.  I remember other coaches speaking for a modest amount of time, but the focus was on players and managers.  On Sunday Woodson sounded like he was giving some kind of acceptance speech.

I saw it as Woodson completely flipping off everyone. 

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1 minute ago, ap2345 said:

I think the only way that Woodson doesn't get another year is if Dolson decides he has a very bad plan moving forward. That said Dolson has been growing frustrated with some of the stuff Woodson has been doing. That part isn't message board nonsense. 

And, again, I'm not arguing with any of this.