Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[JB_Nomee 32]

24 minutes ago, Bankshot said:

Something I would be interested in, but don’t think I’ve heard about or seen discussed anywhere.

Is Chris Beard any “different” now?

What I mean is, has he done anything to change, or recover, or get or be better?

Sometimes people come to a point where they decide they need to change and they make positive changes.

If that kind of thing happens, sometimes second chances are deserved.

I hadn’t heard anything about it, so I was curious.

As far as pure basketball coaching goes, I’d put Chris Beard up against anyone in the country. He’d be a great fit at IU too with his style of play. I just can’t see IU hiring him with his past. 

Edited February 4 by JB_Nomee

[IndyResident16 567]

2 minutes ago, WI Hoosier said:

 

Right. I'm sure Stevens was def interested until the Celts threw the GM job at him. Nobody saw that coming, and was probably the trump card for the Celts to keep him. People act like nothing ever evolves during a job negotiation.

The Celts GM job wasn’t open until 3 months after the fact after the Celts flamed out in the 1st round. He played IU like a fiddle and got everyone riled up in the process.

[Scotty R 2,168]

30 minutes ago, iu-dl said:

I tend to agree with this. He does not appear to be a great person, or at least he has a wild temper with his wife according to the 911 call. That said, IU has a major ego problem. We're so self-righteous about our cleanliness, that we can't get out of our own way. Literally every other program in the country laughs at us for trying to present this crystal-clean public profile. Guess who is winning at recruiting, not getting in trouble and stacking up wins or banners year after year? KU, Duke, UNC, UCONN, UK, Baylor, Houston, Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma, Auburn, Alabama, MSU, Tennessee, etc. Give the self-righteous pride play a f'n rest and hire someone who knows how to win. I'm so sick of this. 25 years and we still can't figure it out. We want to win but we're not willing to sacrifice anything to there. The NCAA does not give a flying f*ck about cleanliness. They care about money. Get Buckner out of the way and make a Cignetti-type hire for basketball. You're welcome.

Can't believe any true IU fan would ever endorse Beard coaching at IU. It is so disgraceful 

[Scotty R 2,168]

28 minutes ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

Breaking the rules and beating the **** out of your wife are two different things. Hire Sampson, Self, Pearl, Calipari, Pitino, or any other shady-@$$ coach who broke the rules of basketball, but hiring Beard is a different thing and we have to stop pretending like it isn’t.

Amen to that. I have came around on Pearl but never Beard 

[IndyResident16 567]

3 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Can't believe any true IU fan would ever endorse Beard coaching at IU. It is so disgraceful 

PR and image hires have relegated IU to an average B10 program. It is what it is.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,794]

We are not going to rehash Beard's domestic issues.

[Scotty R 2,168]

17 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Your posting is definitely helping that happen. Thanks so much for gracing us with your presence. Your service will never be forgotten.

This board became better for me when I put him on ignore. Unfortunately I can still see his responses when you guys quote him.

[IUFAN1976 3,216]

26 minutes ago, Bankshot said:

Something I would be interested in, but don’t think I’ve heard about or seen discussed anywhere.

Is Chris Beard any “different” now?

What I mean is, has he done anything to change, or recover, or get or be better?

Sometimes people come to a point where they decide they need to change and they make positive changes.

If that kind of thing happens, sometimes second chances are deserved.

I hadn’t heard anything about it, so I was curious.

People have posted on here that he had a drinking problem, which may have contributed to the situation in question.  He may have given up drinking but now is back to drinking beer.  It’s all hearsay and I haven’t seen any information supporting that info.  I think if he truly has made changes and hasn’t had anymore incidents, he does deserve a 2nd chance.  But of that is speculation or hearsay 

[iu-dl 1,470]

2 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

I don’t want Beard to even set foot on campus let alone lead our basketball program.

This will not be a popular opinion, and I admittedly grew up a MONSTER Knight fan, but he was not a good dude. He was not exactly someone to model your life after. The dude was fired for more than just a video of choking/shoving someone by the neck. The way it went down; now that's a different story, and Brand is to blame for that.

My point now that I've heated up all of us who love(d) Knight. I really loved him. I cried when he came back to IU a couple years ago. That said, he was a dictator, and a good one, and if you didn't follow his rules, it drove him to unmeasurable periods of aggression, verbal and physical. That's not justification for Beard because what happened there is simply bad and never ok. But come on...we've had coaches who love the bottle (a LOT). Coaches who text recruits too much. I mean we had a literal dum-dum after Knight. They're flawed humans, b,ut we all are.

On a much worse side of the coin, Izzo and Czechowski have both covered-up rapes and the NCAA turned a blind eye. Those dudes are complete dirt bags. To boot, right now there's a literally an accused rapist playing games at Illinois waiting on a court date who turned himself in. I don't love any of this - it's awful and it makes me sad - but I am not in favor of looking for a priest to replace Woodson. We point the finger at Beard, and I'm sure he's a bad dude, but his characteristics and traits aren't that far off from the man who hung 3 banners in Assembly Hall and likely would have hung more if he weren't ousted. What the moral boundaries are, I don't know, but my point is most all of the coaches carry baggage and flaws. PS. Izzo is the worst.

[iu-dl 1,470]

9 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

The Celts GM job wasn’t open until 3 months after the fact after the Celts flamed out in the 1st round. He played IU like a fiddle and got everyone riled up in the process.

This is inaccurate.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,499]

Just now, IUFAN1976 said:

People have posted on here that he had a drinking problem, which may have contributed to the situation in question.  He may have given up drinking but now is back to drinking beer.  It’s all hearsay and I haven’t seen any information supporting that info.  I think if he truly has made changes and hasn’t had anymore incidents, he does deserve a 2nd chance.  But of that is speculation or hearsay 

He’ll get a second chance. I mean, technically, he already did. He’s a P5 coach (and doing very well). 

He’ll get a top job again in a few years and likely excel there too. It just won’t be at IU. 

[IndyResident16 567]

1 minute ago, iu-dl said:

This is inaccurate.

It’s not

[HoosierTrav 7,890]

54 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

IndyResident16-

 

you have 5-6 million a year to offer. Let’s hear your first 5 calls.  In order if you well please. I’m genuinely curious. 

You didn’t ask me….but I’ll play anyways

1. Chris Beard (Win right away)

2. Bruce Pearl  (Win right away)

3. Josh Shertz (Win in 2-3 years and builds winning program)

4. Greg Tonagel (Maybe the best coach on this list)

5. Dusty May (50/50 guy. Hire him bc he’s probably the best we can get at this stage in the game)

 

 

[IndyResident16 567]

8 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

This board became better for me when I put him on ignore. Unfortunately I can still see his responses when you guys quote him.

So brave

[IU - Kaulie 1,891]

7 minutes ago, iu-dl said:

This will not be a popular opinion, and I admittedly grew up a MONSTER Knight fan, but he was not a good dude. He was not exactly someone to model your life after. The dude was fired for more than just a video of choking/shoving someone by the neck. The way it went down; now that's a different story, and Brand is to blame for that.

My point now that I've heated up all of us who love(d) Knight. I really loved him. I cried when he came back to IU a couple years ago. That said, he was a dictator, and a good one, and if you didn't follow his rules, it drove him to unmeasurable periods of aggression, verbal and physical. That's not justification for Beard because what happened there is simply bad and never ok. But come on...we've had coaches who love the bottle (a LOT). Coaches who text recruits too much. I mean we had a literal dum-dum after Knight. They're flawed humans, b,ut we all are.

On a much worse side of the coin, Izzo and Czechowski have both covered-up rapes and the NCAA turned a blind eye. Those dudes are complete dirt bags. To boot, right now there's a literally an accused rapist playing games at Illinois waiting on a court date who turned himself in. I don't love any of this - it's awful and it makes me sad - but I am not in favor of looking for a priest to replace Woodson. We point the finger at Beard, and I'm sure he's a bad dude, but his characteristics and traits aren't that far off from the man who hung 3 banners in Assembly Hall and likely would have hung more if he weren't ousted. What the moral boundaries are, I don't know, but my point is most all of the coaches carry baggage and flaws. PS. Izzo is the worst.

I don’t know how to unpack this post.  Beard’s behavior not for off than Knight’s? This post makes me sick and is wrong on so many levels.

[OliviaPope40 6,526]

For some of you to get your dream coach we'd have to liquidate The Grand Tetons and a bunch of other items. I might be sounding crazy but that's just me.

[mdiu28 1,768]

16 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Can't believe any true IU fan would ever endorse Beard coaching at IU. It is so disgraceful 

He wins. Every top 5 coach in the country does some shady stuff. That's just the way it is. It's not up to us to be a moral compass for the program. If kids seem a problem with a coach, they don't need to commit. It's always their decision where and who they play for. Mark Few might be the exception. He seems to be squeaky clean. 

[IndyResident16 567]

5 minutes ago, mdiu28 said:

He wins. Every top 5 coach in the country does some shady stuff. That's just the way it is. It's not up to us to be a moral compass for the program. If kids seem a problem with a coach, they don't need to commit. It's always their decision where and who they play for. Mark Few might be the exception. He seems to be squeaky clean. 

Paid JUCO kids for years to get where Gonzaga is now. Also tried to drop the “do you know who I am” card after his DUI arrest last year. Theres a lot less good college basketball coaches than there are perfect people in this world. Trying to find both leads to a lot of double-digit losses. 

[BleedCubbieBlue 1,395]

4 minutes ago, mdiu28 said:

He wins. Every top 5 coach in the country does some shady stuff. That's just the way it is. It's not up to us to be a moral compass for the program. If kids seem a problem with a coach, they don't need to commit. It's always their decision where and who they play for. Mark Few might be the exception. He seems to be squeaky clean. 

There is a far cry from being involved in some basketball recruiting dirt and laying hands on a woman. People need to stop acting like they are equivalent.

[IndyResident16 567]

12 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

I don’t know how to unpack this post.  Beard’s behavior not for off than Knight’s? This post makes me sick and is wrong on so many levels.

You weren’t alive when Bob Knight last coached Indiana. Nobody is expecting you to understand. He justified rape on national television, shocked that sits well with you. Just tunnel-vision though right?