Fire (or Force 'Contemplated Retirement') Coach Woodson Thread

[ap2345 9,026]

3 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

Brad Stevens may come here but not until he's 55.  He is 48 and in about the best position one can be in for an NBA team with LOADED talent for the foreseeable future.  GENERAL MANAGER of the CELTICS.  He ain't coming here in the foreseeable future lol

You clearly don't understand the situation that the Celtics are in financially and with ownership. It's not great. 

[Stuhoo 83,168]

Just now, Hornsby said:

Steven's isn't coming until he does. I'm not falling for that talk again it's how we nd up with guys like Woodson. Brad so no so here is Michael Lewis for 7 years. He is an iu guy!!!

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Good lord; you falling for talk about guys like Stevens is in no way "HOW" we end up with guys like Woodson.

Get. A. Grip.

[dwtaylor1055 1,591]

3 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

You clearly don't understand the situation that the Celtics are in financially and with ownership. It's not great. 

they are for sale sure, but are they not competing at the highest level?  Did they not just win an NBA championship?  Do they not have a damn good roster?  Parden me for not paying attention to the NBA lol

 

Yes, payrolls continue to rise, that is for every team.  You have to spend money to make it to the top. That is the cost of putting together a championship caliber team in todays day and age.  you have one offs that make it on a lower cap level but more times than not it's the teams spending the money find their way at the top at the end of the season.  

 

Someone will buy the celtics and their financial situation will be resolved.  It is the freaking celtics lol

[Hoosier DaDa 3,171]

5 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

Nah. I watched him a couple times in high school and came away unimpressed. As was said earlier he was the beneficiary of a lot of surrounding talent and he had games where he would get hot on good looks. It wasn't Marshall in my opinion; it was D1 basketball.

Yeah I just love to yell Cliff Marshall when someone mentions IU players shooting woes.  Because it's all his fault you know lol. 

[IU Prof 1,089]

18 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Will Brad Stevens ghost be on the search list in 2065?

No, it'll be his son on the search list at that point...

[Hornsby 2,706]

Fife was an IU guy, and he got showed the exit rather quickly by our dictator.  lol 

Yep he did but that was because of Woodson and not the admins. The only iu guys Woodson cares about our his buddies or ones that kiss his behind. Didn't thd king ban Brian Evans from the arena.

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[Home Jersey 10,144]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Good lord; you falling for talk about guys like Stevens is in no way "HOW" we end up with guys like Woodson.

Get. A. Grip.

Playing devils advocate… if Dolson is “falling” for Stevens - swinging for home runs and missing - that’s definitely a factor in how we ended up with Woodson. If some narratives are to believed, striking out on Stevens last time was all the opportunity Buckner needed to railroad his guy in there. I get people who are over the idea of Stevens at this point and need to see it to believe it. Definitely worthwhile for Dolson to stay engaged with Stevens hoping the timing works out. But prioritization and timing and anticipating internal obstacles needs to be better this time around.

[Chris007 48,631]

1 minute ago, IU Prof said:

No, it'll be his son on the search list at that point...

Or his son will be a sophomore at IU next year with his dad coaching him—both of their dream. Mom would be happy to have the whole family together. 

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12 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

They both played at Harrison High. Brownell actually is about 3 years older. 

He's interesting -- doesn't do enough at Clemson to be considered an elite coach, while doing just enough to not get fired. I think he's got the second-longest tenure among ACC coaches (behind Leonard Hamilton). Been there 15 or 16 seasons. 

2 years older by grade

[HoosierHuddle 258]

I live near the Clemson campus and have a lot of exposure to the athletics program (very well run, by the way). Since Brad Brownell was brought up, I figured I would add my two cents. I love watching his teams play. Ian Schieffelin is, quite possibly, my favorite player to watch on any team in the country right now. He's battled some back spasms but still, no one gets more out of his given ability than Ian does. Clemson plays tough, "Clemson Grit" is a real thing and they are a tough out for anyone. Brownell's teams have historically struggled to consistently score and they do go through some exasperating droughts and occasionally blow games they have no business losing (this year against South Carolina as an example). Long story short, every interaction with or story I have heard about Brad Brownell and his staff (including assistant Dick Bender, yes really) has been extremely positive. I think IU would consistently make the tournament with him as the head coach but he's a great fit at Clemson and I think IU will and should look elsewhere. 

[ap2345 9,026]

2 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

they are for sale sure, but are they not competing at the highest level?  Did they not just win an NBA championship?  Do they not have a damn good roster?  Parden me for not paying attention to the NBA lol

 

Yes, payrolls continue to rise, that is for every team.  You have to spend money to make it to the top. That is the cost of putting together a championship caliber team in todays day and age.  you have one offs that make it on a lower cap level but more times than not it's the teams spending the money find their way at the top at the end of the season.  

 

Someone will buy the celtics and their financial situation will be resolved.  It is the freaking celtics lol

Here's the problem. The Celtics are for sale. Anytime a new owner comes in there's a chance they will want their own front office people. The other thing is the Celtics have a very expensive roster that doesn't have much wiggle room. They are over the second apron with restricts what kind of moves they can make with their roster. Next year they are losing key pieces and some pieces are getting older. They will have an even more expensive roster next year with very little flexibility. There's a good chance they are headed towards having to trade some dudes and rebuild in the very near future. If that isn't done right Boston will be up in arms. 

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5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Or his son will be a sophomore at IU next year with his dad coaching him—both of their dream. Mom would be happy to have the whole family together. 

lol!!

[str8baller 5,918]

Just now, ap2345 said:

Here's the problem. The Celtics are for sale. Anytime a new owner comes in there's a chance they will want their own front office people. The other thing is the Celtics have a very expensive roster that doesn't have much wiggle room. They are over the second apron with restricts what kind of moves they can make with their roster. Next year they are losing key pieces and some pieces are getting older. They will have an even more expensive roster next year with very little flexibility. There's a good chance they are headed towards having to trade some dudes and rebuild in the very near future. If that isn't done right Boston will be up in arms. 

That is good context.

 

It could also cut the other way: that’s all the more incentive for new ownership to pony up whatever it takes to keep Stevens there to guide them through that ordeal. 
 

Either way, I think the point that new ownership is variable that adds some uncertainty is a good one to keep in mind. 

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A name that I don't believe will be considered but he has been mentioned on other boards, mostly in passing. Probably not related to the IU search but Jeff Rabjohns has pointed him out specifically on a few occasions...again, probably just because his team plays good basketball. Randy Bennett at St. Mary's. The time for him to make a move was probably a few years ago but the Gaels are always fun to watch and if I am not mistaken, they have won 15 straight road games and are now 19-3. It doesn't seem to matter what resources he has or what roster he has, St. Mary's keeps winning and gets to the tournament. Now, exempting the blowout of King Woody, they have not had much success in the Big Dance but they usually have a large athletic disadvantage no matter who they get matched up with in the second round. Anyway, he has an interesting resume and if IU misses on Brad Stevens and Dusty May...number three on the list would be a mystery.

[Chris007 48,631]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

That is good context.

 

It could also cut the other way: that’s all the more incentive for new ownership to pony up whatever it takes to keep Stevens there to guide them through that ordeal. 
 

Either way, I think the point that new ownership is variable that adds some uncertainty is a good one to keep in mind. 

I don't know what NBA GM's make but is it in the 10-12 million range?

[Hoosier DaDa 3,171]

53 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Good thing us winning by 40 at Purdue has approximately the same odds as me spontaneously growing eagle wings on my back and flying to Alaska before tip off.

Thanks now I have this in my head. 

[ap2345 9,026]

3 minutes ago, str8baller said:

That is good context.

 

It could also cut the other way: that’s all the more incentive for new ownership to pony up whatever it takes to keep Stevens there to guide them through that ordeal. 
 

Either way, I think the point that new ownership is variable that adds some uncertainty is a good one to keep in mind. 

Has Stevens ever had to handle a full blown rebuild as a front office executive? Not saying he couldn't do it but he walked into a nice situation. 

[Pagoda 1,458]

6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I don't know what NBA GM's make but is it in the 10-12 million range?

Less.  Brad isn’t on this list maybe because his title (President of BBall Ops) is slightly different vs “GM”?

https://frontofficesports.com/highest-paid-nba-general-managers/

[Home Jersey 10,144]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

I don't know what NBA GM's make but is it in the 10-12 million range?

Don’t know what he’s making today as GM but unless it’s a really, really big number, I’m willing to bet 10-12M goes a lot further in southern Indiana than whatever he makes in Boston. Factor in some uncertainty in the front office and a different family situation, plus the roots… you can definitely see it if you squint. Key is to not squint too hard and convince ourselves it’s definitely gonna happen (yet)… sucks we are in the thick of basketball season and I just want it over to start coach search szn, a 21st century IU basketball favorite pastime. 

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Brad Brownell is the most middling of coaches you can get.  He's only made the NCAA Tournament 4 of his 14 years at Clemson.  His elite 8 run last year is absolute fool's gold.  Nothing in his previous 13 years at Clemson shows he can be successful at Indiana to the level we want to be.