Anthony Leal vs Penn State - Saturday, 02.03.24 @ Noon on FS1

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30 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Yeah, it’s gonna be something to witness.


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If it's a least a step forward for the long term viability, I'm fine with it.  Losing is okay if it is in the name of advancing the long term.  There have been bad teams at IU that I've enjoyed watching at IU over some of the winning teams because you could see a future.

[Hoosier987 1,149]

Keep Reneau/Mgbako/Cupps and I guess Sparks if he's ok with being 12th man. I know there is some worry but I don't think Mgbako or Reneau leave. I just don't. I would fully expect 7-8 new players next year and frankly we need it. This team/construction ain't it. 

Also, I pray Woodson changes his system...Please...I'm just not so sure he will. 

 

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1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

Honestly, seems likely we're filling AT LEAST 6, more likely 7-9 spots in the spring/portal. I'd rather let whoever the next guy is try his hand at constructing that roster than give Woody and Co have another run at just rolling the balls out and hoping/praying.

Yep. Now is the time to make the change and literally start fresh. 

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1 hour ago, Ngw7183 said:

The roster isn’t good enough when the opposing team has a legit, fast, experienced PG. They tried lots of combos. Nobody could contain him or break the press.  Nobody could run any version of an offense and then guys get frustrated and do too much. 

Personal belief - Many give credit to TJD for success. I believe it was some serviceable guard play. First year was not great until X turned it on. Year 2 was little better with JHS but still needed another running mate. This all comes down to guards. Everything stems from that.

As I said, only 2 wins in 2024 were with X starting and playing well. It is clear as day.

Oh come on.  One player?  At Penn State.  Please.  Could get five guys from the Hyper to give them a game.  We were up by 11.  Got blown out.  This was coaching, plain and simple.  Like call a fkg time out when the other team is on a run. 

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1 hour ago, MemphisHoosier said:

What. scares me is that I expect the staff to have four open scholarships outside of Liam this Spring - 13th Open Scholly, Walker, XJ, and two transfers (seems reasonable at this point). Not sure I have confidence in the staff to reshape the backcourt and have contributors with those four grants.

Plus Ware and probably MM as well

[Whoozhers 3,683]

11 out of 17 players on the Purdue roster are from Indiana.

IU has 4.

Huh.

[FortWayneHoosier 6,123]

1 hour ago, Whoozhers said:

11 out of 17 players on the Purdue roster are from Indiana.

IU has 4.

Huh.

I was literally just looking at that. It’s crazy isn’t it. I’m not saying we would be any better today with more Indiana kids but still. 

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1 hour ago, Whoozhers said:

11 out of 17 players on the Purdue roster are from Indiana.

IU has 4.

Huh.

Purdue is now what Indiana used to be. We are what Northwestern used to be. Bottom feeders in the Big 10!

[IUHoosierJoe 1,144]

8 minutes ago, jefftheref said:

Purdue is now what Indiana used to be. We are what Northwestern used to be. Bottom feeders in the Big 10!

Purdue is 44 years removed from their last Final Four and has never won a national championship.  They are in no way, shape, or form what we used to be.

[IUFAN1976 3,100]

2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

If it's a least a step forward for the long term viability, I'm fine with it.  Losing is okay if it is in the name of advancing the long term.  There have been bad teams at IU that I've enjoyed watching at IU over some of the winning teams because you could see a future.

Yes, those early Tom Crean teams come to mind.  Personally, I think many of us don’t see a future because Woodson hasn’t had a consistent style of play and seems to de-value the importance of good guard play in CBB.

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2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Yep.  The biggest issue was the lack of solid backup plans.  Seemed like almost every guard they attempted to get was coveted by a lot of high level programs.

IU is easily a tournament team with decent level guard play.   In the offseason IU added a 5 star transfer, a McDonald's All-American Duke decommit, a former MAC freshman of the year, and a fifth year player who is in the rotation of a final four team.  On paper, that is a great group.  But not a single one of them addressed the biggest hole on the team.

Exactly, because he wasn’t going to recruit players that was below a certain level.  He thinks IU should be considered by every top recruit and transfer.  Where was Lance Jones rated?  He’s a very solid pickup for Turdue but Woodson never gave him a sniff!  

[AZ Hoosier 7,088]

3 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

I think it'll be more than that. Ware likely NBA bound, I wouldn't be the least surprised if Gunn, Banks and Mgbako transfer out. That would be up to 8 not at all surprising to me.

Then does Leal use his extra year? Or Galloway? Next season could be ugly.

Yep... who else thinks "the hump" is gonna be huge next season???

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3 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

No, but you can recruit it. Part of a coach’s job is to identify such players and bring them in. 

I think Crean was good at that, finding those diamond in the rough hard working blue collar individuals.

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2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

If it's a least a step forward for the long term viability, I'm fine with it.  Losing is okay if it is in the name of advancing the long term.  There have been bad teams at IU that I've enjoyed watching at IU over some of the winning teams because you could see a future.

IF ONLY... sadly, not sure the administration cares enough to even notice... the needle isn't moving, and as long as the current administration remains in place, I think that we're still near the beginning of the downward spiral...

And I honestly don't get Buckner. Indiana basketball made him who he is, and he treats the program like toilet paper stuck on his shoe... I mean, doesn't he really see what his buddy Woodson is doing to destroy the program? It was a flawed hire from the start, but c'mon, man, own the screw up and negotiate Woodson to retirement golf.

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3 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I think Crean was good at that, finding those diamond in the rough hard working blue collar individuals.

But for every Victor Oladipo we got a Tim Priller, and for every Will Sheehey we got a Bawa Muniru.

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Purdue is 44 years removed from their last Final Four and has never won a national championship.  They are in no way, shape, or form what we used to be.

Let's just hope that continues . This post could easily be destroyed in a short time. They are 1 in the country now at some point every season. They are stacking big ten titles like nothing. We have been lucky with their tournament struggles. It's the only thing holding them back. I really feel this is their year. They Clearly one of the best teams. Let's just pray they lose because they are building to be great for a long time and could easily have a championship or more over the rest of painters time.

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1 minute ago, coonhounds said:

Let's just hope that continues . This post could easily be destroyed in a short time. They are 1 in the country now at some point every season. They are stacking big ten titles like nothing. We have been lucky with their tournament struggles. It's the only thing holding them back. I really feel this is their year. They Clearly one of the best teams. Let's just pray they lose because they are building to be great for a long time and could easily have a championship or more over the rest of painters time.

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Wash your mouth out with soap!  This isn’t there year or any year.  Once Edey leaves, you will see a tremendous drop off in their play.   They may still be a tournament team but not a top 10 team. Edey is pretty much un-guardable  one on one unless the opposing team has another 7 + footer that can guard him one on one.  That’s what makes them so good.  If Edey gets hurt or they didn’t have him, they aren’t even a top 25 team, IMO.  There are only a handful of teams that can guard Edey by himself, and UConn is one of them.  UConn is better than Turdue, IMO

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19 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Yep... who else thinks "the hump" is gonna be huge next season???

That hump will be 66 years old next season.

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11 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

But for every Victor Oladipo we got a Tim Priller, and for every Will Sheehey we got a Bawa Muniru.

Crean hit home runs and strike out a lot.  Since Crean we've mostly had singles and ground outs.

The difference is that in basketball you can bench the strike outs and ground outs.  Home runs are very important.

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12 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

But for every Victor Oladipo we got a Tim Priller, and for every Will Sheehey we got a Bawa Muniru.

Crean would get into desperation mode and offer/take anyone, especially the last few years. He did find some under the radar players though.