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[str8baller 6,008]

32 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

There is no such thing as big ten officials, these officials ref more than just one conference. They are just like sub contractors and work where ever they can

 

10 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Yep but the same refs will ref in a different conference a totally different way then he does a B1G game.     It’s one of the most fascinating things to watch.   

What do you think accounts for that?  
 

For all the complaining about the Big Ten, I’ll see some SEC or Big12 games that I think are incredibly physical too. Otoh, Pac10 and ACC games really do seem more finesse and more tightly called.   

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The B1G officiating has been dictated by play style and players. In the last 10 years the B1G has been dominated by big, bulky, physical bigs whereas the SEC is more guard oriented. The officiating problem to me has been driven by players such as Garza, Edey, TJD, Kofi, Haas, + many more. 

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They would’ve fired him after 2yrs. Maybe 1.  
 
Crazy or not, they have much different standards for on the court performance than a school like IU. 

They don't abide by the you have to give a coach at least four years or no future coaches will come here rule iu seems to have. Kentucky plays for keeps.

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22 minutes ago, str8baller said:

They would’ve fired him after 2yrs. Maybe 1.  
 

Crazy or not, they have much different standards for on the court performance than a school like IU. 

Best season in 2 years was an NIT quarter final. Yeah, he'd been out of town on the first thing with wheels chased by hillbillies with torches and pitchforks.

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46 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Yep but the same refs will ref in a different conference a totally different way then he does a B1G game.     It’s one of the most fascinating things to watch.   

100%, I've never understood this.

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21 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

The B1G officiating has been dictated by play style and players. In the last 10 years the B1G has been dominated by big, bulky, physical bigs whereas the SEC is more guard oriented. The officiating problem to me has been driven by players such as Garza, Edey, TJD, Kofi, Haas, + many more. 

My thinking is it's been more than just the bigs, we have ours but some other conferences have theirs too -- to me it's been more the style of play regardless of size - the conference has had many dynamic guard-driven teams. But we have Izzo ball - often overly physical with him whyning away ad nauseum to the refs in virtually every game, the absurdity that passes as basketball at Wisconsin, yes PU's relentless gargantuan big play, etc. Like I said to Usps, I've never understood the different officiating, but I don't see it as being just because we have a bunch of bigs in the conference, I see it more as our conference plays ball like 1970s - 80's NBA, smash mouth.

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3 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

And he's gone to the Sweet 16 or further 8 times there. If they watched Miller they'd be on mass suicide watch.

It’s why I roll my eyes whenever folks try blaming the fans for IU’s pisspoor program. He’s gone to seven elite 8s in 14 seasons at UK (IU has made seven elite 8s in the past 47 years). One of those seasons was the covid year, and his team was 25-6, and #1 in the SEC at 15-3 when the season was canceled. So, seven elite 8s in 13 seasons. He’s batting 538 when it comes to making the elite eight. 

Mike Woodson is batting .520 in the Big 10 as IU’s coach, yet we get called ridiculous and the problem when we say he should be fired. It’s all a bunch of nonsense. 

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16 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It’s why I roll my eyes whenever folks try blaming the fans for IU’s pisspoor program. He’s gone to seven elite 8s in 14 seasons at UK (IU has made seven elite 8s in the past 47 years). One of those seasons was the covid year, and his team was 25-6, and #1 in the SEC at 15-3 when the season was canceled. So, seven elite 8s in 13 seasons. He’s batting 538 when it comes to making the elite eight. 

Mike Woodson is batting .520 in the Big 10 as IU’s coach, yet we get called ridiculous and the problem when we say he should be fired. It’s all a bunch of nonsense. 

Same. If the 'a coach needs x years before he can be judged' crowd was in control then we'd still be subjected to watching Miller's teams and Crean would still be at Georgia. 

[Hoosierfan2017 22,545]

7 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Same. If the 'a coach needs x years before he can be judged' crowd was in control then we'd still be subjected to watching Miller's teams and Crean would still be at Georgia. 

Idk how that crowd even started. Imo, you can tell early on if a coach has “it” or not. It doesn’t always translate immediately on the court, but there are signs within the program. Does anyone really think Woodson has it? Because I think it’s clear that he doesn’t. 

Archie is 19-32 at Rhode Island yet a contingent of the fanbase says we’re too quick to get rid of guys. smh. 

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14 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Idk how that crowd even started. Imo, you can tell early on if a coach has “it” or not. It doesn’t always translate immediately on the court, but there are signs within the program. Does anyone really think Woodson has it? Because I think it’s clear that he doesn’t. 

Archie is 19-32 at Rhode Island yet a contingent of the fanbase says we’re too quick to get rid of guys. smh. 

If you want a long term solution you don't hire a guy in his 60s. You shouldn't hire a guy in his 60s with no college experience and hasn't been a HC in 10 years for this job period but that's beside the point. Woodson wasn't particularly good when he was a HC.

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3 hours ago, BleedCubbieBlue said:

I can't wait until the NCAA tournament when actual officials will be on the floor instead of these Big Ten clowns. Edey will foul out of the game and Purdue will lose to Southwestern State A&M College of Welding and Cosmetology. It is going to be awesome watching them get dropped in the first round, again! I wish I could bottle PU fans' tears so I could use it to salt my popcorn.

Well I just wonder which refs were reffing when PU beat Arizona, Marquette, Tennessee, and Bama.

I'd love to believe they flame out early yet again too, but also accepting the possibility this could be their year after all.

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7 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Well I just wonder which refs were reffing when PU beat Arizona, Marquette, Tennessee, and Bama.

I'd love to believe they flame out early yet again too, but also accepting the possibility this could be their year after all.

Last season they blew out Duke, Gonzaga, FSU, Marquette, and WVU.

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Same. If the 'a coach needs x years before he can be judged' crowd was in control then we'd still be subjected to watching Miller's teams and Crean would still be at Georgia. 

100% or the you can't fire him now the buyout is too big

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If you want a long term solution you don't hire a guy in his 60s. You shouldn't hire a guy in his 60s with no college experience and hasn't been a HC in 10 years for this job period but that's beside the point. Woodson wasn't particularly good when he was a HC.

I honestly thinks dolsons genius idea was to have fife take over in like four years. Problem is Woodson has a massive ego and was never going to listen to fife. He wants yes men.

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8 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

I honestly thinks dolsons genius idea was to have fife take over in like four years. Problem is Woodson has a massive ego and was never going to listen to fife. He wants yes men.

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Last year, Randy Wittman was serving as a consultant.  Anyone know if Wittman is serving in that role again this year?  

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49 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

If you want a long term solution you don't hire a guy in his 60s. You shouldn't hire a guy in his 60s with no college experience and hasn't been a HC in 10 years for this job period but that's beside the point. Woodson wasn't particularly good when he was a HC.

How I imagine the coaching search went. 

How old is he? - 63. 

Hmm. Must have a lot of experience! - he’s never coached college basketball. He’s an NBA coach.

Even better! Which team is he the coach for? - Well, he hasn’t been a head coach in almost a decade.

Was he a good head coach back in the day? - No. He only won 46% of his regular season games and 39% of his playoff games.

Ugh. Well, where did he go to school 40 years ago? - IU

Perfect! Offer him the job immediately.

So many red flags but unfortunately the only one that mattered was the red IU one. 

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27 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

How I imagine the coaching search went. 

How old is he? - 63. 

Hmm. Must have a lot of experience! - he’s never coached college basketball. He’s an NBA coach.

Even better! Which team is he the coach for? - Well, he hasn’t been a head coach in almost a decade.

Was he a good head coach back in the day? - No. He only won 46% of his regular season games and 39% of his playoff games.

Ugh. Well, where did he go to school 40 years ago? - IU

Perfect! Offer him the job immediately.

So many red flags but unfortunately the only one that mattered was the red IU one. 

I am a glutton for punishment... I listened to the Eye on CBB podcast episodes last night after the firing of Tom Crean and Archie. Interesting that before Archie was fired Matt Norlander was saying some coaches had been approached in a "if there was an opening would you be interested"... Did every coach turn us down? or was it really all in on Stevens, he says no and now we scramble?

 

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Another complaint.... I HATE when media talks about how IU is a pressure cooker because of the fans, the fans aren't realistic, its a fish bowl etc. Why is it framed in the negative? 

Wish they would instead frame it as: The coach here has the opportunity not only to lead the team, but to lead thousands and thousands of fans and get overwhelming fan support. It clearly can be an asset. You just need a coach that has the ego and wants to pretty much lead a nation... (Hoosier Nation). Some guys have it, some guys don't. 

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7 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Another complaint.... I HATE when media talks about how IU is a pressure cooker because of the fans, the fans aren't realistic, its a fish bowl etc. Why is it framed in the negative? 

Wish they would instead frame it as: The coach here has the opportunity not only to lead the team, but to lead thousands and thousands of fans and get overwhelming fan support. It clearly can be an asset. You just need a coach that has the ego and wants to pretty much lead a nation... (Hoosier Nation). Some guys have it, some guys don't. 

Because the media hates Indiana. Just look at how headlines are wrote when we win or lose.

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42 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Because the media hates Indiana. Just look at how headlines are wrote when we win or lose.

Why is this, especially the new Youtubers SleeperMedia & Field of 68