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[Chris007 43,207]

1 minute ago, Hornsby said:

Still baffles me they they thought woodson would be better than alford. At that point it seems to me it became more about let's hire our friend and not about college credentials.

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Might be before your time but Alfors is-was one of Dolson's best friends. The whole rape Iowa thing has kept Alford away from coaching at IU

[Chris007 43,207]

2 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Alford flamed out at 2 P5 jobs. He would be fairly divisive just because of that. 

Alford was fired from two good college jobs. Woodson from two good NBA jobs. Iowa is a lot like Atlanta, UCLA is a lot like New York. 

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4 hours ago, Kentuckysucks said:

You have no idea.

I'll never forget dropping my clothes at the cleaner, and seeing a nice car pull up. A guy then get out of the driver side, walk to the passenger with an umbrella, open the door, and proceed to escort someone to the door. Wait for him to come out, and repeat the process back to the car. It ended up being Mcrobbie, and his personal security...

Seemed like a bit much...

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9 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Might be before your time but Alfors is-was one of Dolson's best friends. The whole rape Iowa thing has kept Alford away from coaching at IU

Woody's brows should have kept him away from IU.

[Chris007 43,207]

Just now, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Woody's brows should have kept him away from IU.

I'm not even sure what that means. Maybe just stick with Leal things. That can be your thing

[str8baller 4,923]

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Alford was fired from two good college jobs. Woodson from two good NBA jobs. Iowa is a lot like Atlanta, UCLA is a lot like New York. 

I’m not going to defend Woody’s job here, but he was at least a decent coach in the NBA. Both of those organizations are/were horribly run (and some of that is attributable to Isiah) and in that context Woody did a solid job at each place winning more than the staffs before him.  
 

With that said, it seems obvious the hiring committee didn’t ask or inquire about things like what kind of offense/defense he would run. How he would adapt to the day to day of the college game. What his recruiting philosophy would be, so on and so forth. 
 

It’s not an ideal hire but it makes sense why they’d go with Woody over Alford once they painted themselves into a corner with the BS mess. 

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51 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

What people forget is that former players, alumni, and others wanted an IU guy. Dolson, Buckner, and Isiah ran the search. They thought they had BS and could sell that to everyone even though he's not an IU guy. But once that fell through, Buckner and Isiah pushed their buddy. Dolson added Matta and Fife. I know for sure this is how it happened but not my job to convince anyone. 

My Question is why was Dolson not allowed to have full control of the decision? 

[Chris007 43,207]

Just now, southernindianahoosier2 said:

My Question is why was Dolson not allowed to have full control of the decision? 

In my 24 years here at IU I've never seen one person have sole responsibility in hiring someone. There is usually a committee, then you run things by other people. Dolson didn't have full control in hiring Cigs.  He had other people sit on the interviews, then discussed them with associate AD's

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1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

In my 24 years here at IU I've never seen one person have sole responsibility in hiring someone. There is usually a committee, then you run things by other people. Dolson didn't have full control in hiring Cigs.  He had other people sit on the interviews, then discussed them with associate AD's

I mean that’s typical even for the business I’m in. Multiple interviews, your boss needs to sign off etc.

It just feels like it wasn’t Dolson’s decision at all. 
 

We’re the only 2 candidates really just Stevens and Woodson? Was there not one other coach in contention? 

[Hoosierfan2017 20,360]

46 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I’m not going to defend Woody’s job here, but he was at least a decent coach in the NBA. Both of those organizations are/were horribly run (and some of that is attributable to Isiah) and in that context Woody did a solid job at each place winning more than the staffs before him.  
 

With that said, it seems obvious the hiring committee didn’t ask or inquire about things like what kind of offense/defense he would run. How he would adapt to the day to day of the college game. What his recruiting philosophy would be, so on and so forth. 
 

It’s not an ideal hire but it makes sense why they’d go with Woody over Alford once they painted themselves into a corner with the BS mess. 

Going with Woodson doesn’t make sense in any circumstance except for the one in which IU 100% had to hire an “IU guy.” But, of course, that was never the case and was their own doing. 

Alford wouldve been a better pick. Went to 3 sweet 16s in 6 years at ucla. Had a good amount of success at New Mexico, winning 75% of his games. Mishandling a situation 2 decades before shouldn’t, imo, automatically exclude him from the job. I don’t care to get into the same circular debate people have had before, so I’ll just say that 2002 was a very different social climate when it came to sexual assault allegations. Kobe Bryant was charged with rape in 2003 and the NBA let him keep playing during the case. Likely wouldn’t happen that way today. Not saying that Alford handled things properly at Iowa, but there’s no reason to believe he’d handle things in the same way now. He’s had 3 head coaching jobs since then without incident. 

It still just boggles my mind nearly three years later that they hired Mike Woodson. It was a completely unserious hire for a formerly great program. 

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10 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

In my 24 years here at IU I've never seen one person have sole responsibility in hiring someone. There is usually a committee, then you run things by other people. Dolson didn't have full control in hiring Cigs.  He had other people sit on the interviews, then discussed them with associate AD's

This is likely where the issue lies imho. 

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8 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

I mean that’s typical even for the business I’m in. Multiple interviews, your boss needs to sign off etc.

It just feels like it wasn’t Dolson’s decision at all. 
 

We’re the only 2 candidates really just Stevens and Woodson? Was there not one other coach in contention? 

That’s just what I find bizarre. The straight Brad says no so we go straight to Woodson… was there a Porter Moser or Chris Beard in that process that told us heck no? If so that would make me feel slightly better 

[Uspshoosier 44,711]

8 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

That’s just what I find bizarre. The straight Brad says no so we go straight to Woodson… was there a Porter Moser or Chris Beard in that process that told us heck no? If so that would make me feel slightly better 

 Nothing bizarre for me.   There was plenty of willing coaches that would have taken it and will be plenty more whenever it opens again.    Despite the on court results for however long to this day if a poll is being done where they interview coaches or the college basketball community it will still be voted best game in the B1G.   In my opinion they went with a safe hire with IU connections.  Didn’t matter he never coached in college in my opinion they were more worried about bringing the fractured relationship with past players together and try to get on the same page again.   Everyone had been screaming IU isn’t right because we went outside the IU  family.    That’s the route they went and for the most part it seems that has fixed some of the relationships but at what cost?      Personally I isn’t like the hire because I wanted a college basketball lifer in charge of the program I’m most invested in.   Doesn’t mean he still won’t work out but if he doesn’t work out whenever that time is give me a grinder as head coach.  Don’t care who or where y they are from just give me a guy that lives it everyday 

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1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

I'm not even sure what that means. Maybe just stick with Leal things. That can be your thing

 

[Hornsby 1,642]

That’s just what I find bizarre. The straight Brad says no so we go straight to Woodson… was there a Porter Moser or Chris Beard in that process that told us heck no? If so that would make me feel slightly better 

You go from offering Steven's 7 million a year straight to Woodson. Make zero sense to me.

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 Nothing bizarre for me.   There was plenty of willing coaches that would have taken it and will be plenty more whenever it opens again.    Despite the on court results for however long to this day if a poll is being done where they interview coaches or the college basketball community it will still be voted best game in the B1G.   In my opinion they went with a safe hire with IU connections.  Didn’t matter he never coached in college in my opinion they were more worried about bringing the fractured relationship with past players together and try to get on the same page again.   Everyone had been screaming IU isn’t right because we went outside the IU  family.    That’s the route they went and for the most part it seems that has fixed some of the relationships but at what cost?      Personally I isn’t like the hire because I wanted a college basketball lifer in charge of the program I’m most invested in.   Doesn’t mean he still won’t work out but if he doesn’t work out whenever that time is give me a grinder as head coach.  Don’t care who or where y they are from just give me a guy that lives it everyday 

So it initially made some former players happy but what fractures did it really cure? Here we are three years in talking about our next coach. Fans seem as fractured as ever. Making quinn and Isiah happy isn't what I would call healing fractures it's two people.

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I'm just going to go ahead and complain before it probably happens.

 

The medias fawning over Tom Izzo at this point is a joke. And if/when they make the NCAA tourney there will be an article or talk about how great of a coach he is. All because he "turned it around" after his preseason Top 5 team fell flat on their faces and squeaked into the tourney. We will absolutely hear how great he is from the TV commentators when we play them in the last game of the season.

[Uspshoosier 44,711]

1 minute ago, Hornsby said:

So it initially made some former players happy but what fractures did it really cure? Here we are three years in talking about our next coach. Fans seem as fractured as ever. Making quinn and Isiah happy isn't what I would call healing fractures it's two people.

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If you think those 2 were the only ones happy with the hire then im not sure what more else there is to say.    There is always going to be fans not happy no matter who is hired but when he was hired I’m guessing most of it was positive.   He still got a huge ovation at HH this year.   Mad fans on free message boards isn’t the majority I hate to break it to you.   As I’ve said I wasn’t a fan of the hire but a knew a ton of people who were just because it was one of IUs own 

[Stuhoo 78,068]

10 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

You go from offering Steven's 7 million a year straight to Woodson. Make zero sense to me.

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I haven't been in this thread much, but I have formulated my primary complaint associated with IU basketball. It's when fans:

1. Posit a speculative narrative. 
2. Repeat the speculation frequently, until it becomes the established theme.
3. Complain about it at various challenging points during a season, but not during an extended winning streak.

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12 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

So it initially made some former players happy but what fractures did it really cure? Here we are three years in talking about our next coach. Fans seem as fractured as ever. Making quinn and Isiah happy isn't what I would call healing fractures it's two people.

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Initially former players appeared to be happy.  Then Mike Roberts wasn't retained as a coach.  Then a year later Dane Fife was shown the door.  So much for healing and bringing the "family" together.  I do think the Jordan and Calbert additions have been positive.  If bringing the family together was the goal of hiring Woodson, the treatment of Roberts and Fife ended that honeymoon with many fans and players fairly quickly.