Coach Curt Cignetti to INDIANA... Forever and Ever, Amen!

[CSP]

8 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

Sorry, I just can't get on board with a guy who's never lead any sort of program. His staff better be amazing. I am also leery of a person who may not enjoy cussing from his assistant coaches if you catch my drift. I know that's a touchy subject on these boards, but it's just not my cup of tea when it comes to head coaches. 

I'm sorry... but what does this have to do with Antwaan? 

Who has never led any sort of program? He led us for 4 years. 

[OGIUAndy]

1 hour ago, btownqb said:

I'm sorry... but what does this have to do with Antwaan? 

Who has never led any sort of program? He led us for 4 years. 

He's a very religious guy. I have had my fill of that and I think its benefit to a football program is short lived and extremely limiting. It was said CTA wasn't interested in hiring Justin Frye because he cussed too much. If true, that's ridiculous. We're talking about football here, not bible study. A coach or player's talent shouldn't be dismissed because they don't go to church. I'm not saying IU should hire a huge dirtbag either. I would be semi ok with ARE if he had a great staff. I loved him as a player. And if he and others with a direct connection to the program are the only interested candidates, so be it. But hiring ARE as the head guy would be a huge gamble that I am not sure IU can currently take the chance on. Just my two cents. 

[IndyResident16]

1 hour ago, btownqb said:

I am 100% serious. ARE is undoubtedly one of our best options. I have yet to read a name, a realistic name, that jumps off the screen as "auto" better than ARE. 

There is no way ARE is "undoubtedly one of our best options". He's never been a head coach before. He's never coached collegiately. He's never recruited before. He's never been tasked with hiring a support staff. Other than being a really good player 20 years ago, what credentials does ARE have that suggests he's qualified to be a B10 head coach? If ARE went to Illinois instead of Indiana are we even talking about him? 

[IndyResident16]

1 hour ago, btownqb said:

63 year old Willie Fritz? No. What recruit would he be able to convince to come to IU?

As opposed to ARE who has never talked to a recruit in his life?

[8bucks]

3 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

He's a very religious guy. I have had my fill of that and I think its benefit to a football program is short lived and extremely limiting. It was said CTA wasn't interested in hiring Justin Frye because he cussed too much. If true, that's ridiculous. We're talking about football here, not bible study. A coach or player's talent shouldn't be dismissed because they don't go to church. I'm not saying IU should hire a huge dirtbag either. I would be semi ok with ARE if he had a great staff. I loved him as a player. And if he and others with a direct connection to the program are the only interested candidates, so be it. But hiring ARE as the head guy would be a huge gamble that I am not sure IU can currently take the change on. Just my two cents. 

Understandable but one man's approach to living his faith in his work is not going to be the same as the next guy.  

[Stuhoo]

4 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

There is no way ARE is "undoubtedly one of our best options". He's never been a head coach before. He's never coached collegiately. He's never recruited before. He's never been tasked with hiring a support staff. Other than being a really good player 20 years ago, what credentials does ARE have that suggests he's qualified to be a B10 head coach? If ARE went to Illinois instead of Indiana are we even talking about him? 

I'll answer your last question first: No way!

In theory the attraction of ARE would be that:

• he is supposedly a great guy
• he's an excellent NFL positional coach,
• has been mentored by excellent coaches at the highest level,
• could sell NFL development,
• and most importantly (whether this is a good reason or not); he truly loves IU and might stick around if things went well.

So that's the case for him. It should be taken in contrast with the case against him, which you laid out pretty well IMO.

[IndyResident16]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

he is supposedly a great guy

There's a hundred more qualified candidates who we can all make the same claim

 

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

he's an excellent NFL positional coach,

No disagreement, not sure that translates to B10 head coach though

 

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

has been mentored by excellent coaches at the highest level,

Again, can say that about a hundred more qualified coaches

 

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

could sell NFL development,

I think I'm repeating myself

 

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

and most importantly (whether this is a good reason or not); he truly loves IU and might stick around if things went well.

There's more qualified coaches out there with Indiana ties who likely fall in the same category. 

 

If we're dead set on hiring a former player just because, just promote Rod Carey and get it over with. He's 10x more qualified than ARE right now. 

[OGIUAndy]

3 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Understandable but one man's approach to living his faith in his work is not going to be the same as the next guy.  

Take a look at his Twitter profile and his last retweet: https://twitter.com/therealrandleel?lang=en I am not against religion or faith it's just not my thing when it comes to sports. Mostly I just don't think he's done enough to be handed the reigns. 

[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, IndyResident16 said:

There's a hundred more qualified candidates who we can all make the same claim

 

No disagreement, not sure that translates to B10 head coach though

 

Again, can say that about a hundred more qualified coaches

 

I think I'm repeating myself

 

There's more qualified coaches out there with Indiana ties who likely fall in the same category. 

 

If we're dead set on hiring a former player just because, just promote Rod Carey and get it over with. He's 10x more qualified than ARE right now. 

You could have just replied "Yup; that's why people like him, but it doesn't nearly outweigh the negatives for me."

[Golfman25]

3 hours ago, OGIUAndy said:

This ain't going to happen. Football has a lot more moving parts than say basketball to just throw the keys to a complete newbie. People mentioning him cannot really be serious. He has zero experience at anything necessary to run a program let alone being a head coach on Saturdays. Hell even CTA was a high school head coach which according to one recruit, was obvious by the lack of organization of IU's practices. This kinda stuff matters if you want to recruit and stay competitive. A name (and is he really a name?) will only get you so far. 

It's freaking football not rocket science.  Granted experience can tell you something, but there are enough "experienced" guys who crap the bed as well.  We need a guy with football intensity and the passion to build a program.  I guy that knows football -- offense, defense, special teams.  Has an offensive philosophy.  And a defensive philosophy.  That lives and breaths the stuff.  And then can sell it to the recruits.  Whether he's put a practice together isn't dispositive -- the dude in line at Kilroy's can figure that out.  

[OGIUAndy]

7 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

It's freaking football not rocket science.  Granted experience can tell you something, but there are enough "experienced" guys who crap the bed as well.  We need a guy with football intensity and the passion to build a program.  I guy that knows football -- offense, defense, special teams.  Has an offensive philosophy.  And a defensive philosophy.  That lives and breaths the stuff.  And then can sell it to the recruits.  Whether he's put a practice together isn't dispositive -- the dude in line at Kilroy's can figure that out.  

This is all great and stuff, but passion doesn't win you games, look at CTA. As for the rest ...guy that knows football -- offense, defense, special teams.  Has an offensive philosophy.  And a defensive philosophy.  That lives and breaths the stuff I have no idea if ARE has any of this. And  Whether he's put a practice together isn't dispositive -- the dude in line at Kilroy's can figure that out.  So why did a recruit say that CTA's practices were a "sh*t show" if the dude in line at Kilroy's can figure it out? 

[Hovadipo]

Not in the Antwaan camp at all. Love the guy, would support him in this hypothetical obviously, but I have trouble seeing that go well. This program, for a multitude of reasons, needs a proven program builder imo.

My question is: even if we were interested in going that route, is he? The quality of life for a CFB coach is horrendous when compared to any position in the NFL. Is there any evidence that he has interest in college coaching at all? It’s a completely different job. Moving up the tree toward being an NFL coordinator/potential head coach seems like the more likely route for him.

[8bucks]

44 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

Take a look at his Twitter profile and his last retweet: https://twitter.com/therealrandleel?lang=en I am not against religion or faith it's just not my thing when it comes to sports. Mostly I just don't think he's done enough to be handed the reigns. 

I tend to agree that he does not have enough coaching experience to make the jump to HC for IU.  The right guy trumps having a character that i may or may not appreciate.  

ARE's twitter timeline seems a lot like Tony Dungy's timeline.  They follow Christ and are not ashamed to share.  The thing that made Dungy great as a coach was he could passionately believe, live out his faith but could lead others whether they believed as he did or if they did not.  That would be the question for any leader, Christian or not.  Things we do not know about ARE right now is how he is with all the players he is charged with leading.  IF he proves to be a great teacher, coach and leader of men he could become a great head coach one day.  

Probably the only thing that I think would disqualify someone would be a belief in the greatness of Purdue.  

 

[J34]

55 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

Take a look at his Twitter profile and his last retweet: https://twitter.com/therealrandleel?lang=en I am not against religion or faith it's just not my thing when it comes to sports. Mostly I just don't think he's done enough to be handed the reigns. 

Do you ever read Deion's tweets? He wears his faith on his sleeve. 

[CSP]

2 hours ago, OGIUAndy said:

He's a very religious guy. I have had my fill of that and I think its benefit to a football program is short lived and extremely limiting. It was said CTA wasn't interested in hiring Justin Frye because he cussed too much. If true, that's ridiculous. We're talking about football here, not bible study. A coach or player's talent shouldn't be dismissed because they don't go to church. I'm not saying IU should hire a huge dirtbag either. I would be semi ok with ARE if he had a great staff. I loved him as a player. And if he and others with a direct connection to the program are the only interested candidates, so be it. But hiring ARE as the head guy would be a huge gamble that I am not sure IU can currently take the chance on. Just my two cents. 

I can't imagine we'd find someone more qualified. 

[CSP]

I can't believe I just read someone would prefer Carey over ARE. That's wild

The lack of experience in college, framed as a negative for ARE, seems dumb to me. His lack of experience in college is because, ya know, he's coaching at a higher level.  

[RaceToTheTop]

I am 100% in favor of hiring Coach Not Tom Allen.

[Scotty R]

17 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I can't believe I just read someone would prefer Carey over ARE. That's wild

The lack of experience in college, framed as a negative for ARE, seems dumb to me. His lack of experience in college is because, ya know, he's coaching at a higher level.  

The thing is ARE has not even been a coordinator and that lack of experience would make me vote against hiring him

 

[CSP]

2 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

The thing is ARE has not even been a coordinator and that lack of experience would make me vote against hiring him

 

Weren't all of our former HCs, either a coordinators or former HCs? 

How'd they work out here? That plan sucks, imo. 

Nahh.  I'll take guy I know isn't going to use this as a stepping stone and has charisma in BUNCHES. 

And if Dan Campbell refers him, I'm sure a s*** hiring him. Dan Campbell can coach. 

[IndyResident16]

28 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I can't believe I just read someone would prefer Carey over ARE. That's wild

The lack of experience in college, framed as a negative for ARE, seems dumb to me. His lack of experience in college is because, ya know, he's coaching at a higher level.  

I don’t prefer Carey. I said if Dolson is hell bent on hiring an Indiana guy just for the sake of doing it, promote Carey in that instance. At least he’s been a head coach before. ARE name is only mentioned due to the fact he played at Indiana, not because he meets some kind of qualifications.

Edited October 26, 2023 by IndyResident16