IUBB vs Army - Sunday, 11.12.23 @ 7:00 on BTN

[Muskie for three 307]

6 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

A knee scope is what was reported for Newton, but that shouldn't keep someone out this long.  That knee may be a concern moving forward.

Microfractures also I think pretty sure I heard that someplace 

[JSHoosier 20,319]

45 minutes ago, Muskie for three said:

Microfractures also I think pretty sure I heard that someplace 

At this point I figured there was more to it but the point remains about that knee being a concern.

[Muskie for three 307]

19 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

At this point I figured there was more to it but the point remains about that knee being a concern.

It's jacked intial misdiagnosis I believe . Then he played on it and jacked it up again or something like that . There's an interview someplace with him . Read someplace that it's not a good thing at all and even if he heals NBA teams will be very wary due to the type of injury if he gets that far . He is young hope he heals correctly . Definitely got bad advice to play in some meaningless games at the end of his senior season .somebody dropped the ball.

 

[J34 1,490]

6 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

Doesn’t matter if we have someone else quicker or not (which we do in CJ) - Cupps will not be able to hang with many big ten level guards. This is easy to see.

the love for the hard nose  kid like Tom Coverdale etc is great but that doesn’t work when the other guy can blow buy you at will.  Braden smith 2.0. 
 

like the reply on Malik, this isn’t some crazy off the wall statement like you are acting.

You talking the same Tom Coverdale that helped lead his team to a NC game? 

So, you're admitting the "hard nosed kid" approach does work?

 

[Golfman25 5,592]

8 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

100% this is year 3 and this team is loaded with 4 and 5 star players. There is no reason making a 68 field tournament should be a reach.

 

I’m not confident we make it but that is more to do with team construction - if only the ncaa would allow us 13 scholarships like everyone else

Why. So we can pick up middle school Bob.  

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,217]

10 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

Doesn’t matter if we have someone else quicker or not (which we do in CJ) - Cupps will not be able to hang with many big ten level guards. This is easy to see.

the love for the hard nose  kid like Tom Coverdale etc is great but that doesn’t work when the other guy can blow buy you at will.  Braden smith 2.0. 
 

like the reply on Malik, this isn’t some crazy off the wall statement like you are acting.

It is a crazy off the wall opinion. No Cupps isn't getting schooled by B1G guards anymore than any other FR. 

Not every white kid under 6'3 is comparable. I've seen Cupps compared to Hulls... they're nothing alike as a player.  But again, Cupps is nothing like Coverdale and he's only marginally similar, and measurably bigger than Smith. 

And no CJ Gunn is NOT quicker than GC.

[IUCrazy2 2,458]

10 hours ago, Hoosier987 said:

Not that program anymore? Yikes. Woodson would whole-heartedly disagree with you and so would many others. He has stated on multiple occasions that the next step for Indiana is to win a Big Ten Title and a National Title. Hell, he mentioned this as early as a couple of weeks ago. I believe him and so do many others. Despite, obviously what you think…We’re a top 15 program and many national writers and coaches would tell you that. 

Even moreso now with NIL.  There aren't many programs that can match what we can do with NIL right now.  

[IndyResident16 567]

13 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

And this is a real problem- and one I don’t understand. As in, why? 

We don't have any volume 3 point shooters. Now a question you can certainly ask is why don't we have volume shooters and one I'd be curious to hear, but IU taking 25-30 three's a game because "that's how basketball is played today" will wreck this season. Play to your strengths which should be efficiency at the rim with Ware and Malik and getting to the foul line. 

Get the defensive lapses and lack of rotations and closeouts in check and this team may be alright. But this team was never going to be a high scoring, gung ho shooting team ever since we failed to add a lead guard in the portal. 

Edited November 14, 2023 by IndyResident16

[MikeRoberts 7,062]

39 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Why. So we can pick up middle school Bob.  

If MSB could spell our guys for 5 mins a game then yes, but this is IU, I imagine we could find a player better than MSB, there were hundreds available.

[Stuhoo 81,468]

I'm not the only one, but I am among those who posted that this team was likely to take lumps in November, December, and maybe even January. And also that this team has a very high ceiling.

When I posted that prior to our first two games, I got a lot of 'likes' and no one pushed back.

Now that it is happening, the sky is not falling; it's exactly as expected.

• Stack some cupcake wins, even if they are close calls, while we are figuring it out.
• Stay healthy, especially with our guards; we're gonna need them all.
• Trust that a staff that includes a sh!t-ton of NBA and college experience has the collective tools to keep this group learning and motivated toward reaching something approaching their potential.
• Trust/hope that the staff can recognize and make adjustments to fit the personnel and to fit the way teams have been creating great three point looks against us.
• Trust that we have assembled a roster of really good kids that won't get resentful or play sad when they hit adversity.

And hopefully enjoy the results of a talented group that eventually has their collective light turn on.

[HoosierHoopster 7,139]

1 hour ago, IndyResident16 said:

We don't have any volume 3 point shooters. Now a question you can certainly ask is why don't we have volume shooters and one I'd be curious to hear, but IU taking 25-30 three's a game because "that's how basketball is played today" will wreck this season. Play to your strengths which should be efficiency at the rim with Ware and Malik and getting to the foul line. 

Get the defensive lapses and lack of rotations and closeouts in check and this team may be alright. But this team was never going to be a high scoring, gung ho shooting team ever since we failed to add a lead guard in the portal. 

We absolutely have several players who can hit well, on a good percentage, from outside. Volume shooters? That's purely a product of the offense we're running, not the individuals. Volume is the O, not the player. We are clearly taking shots, by volume, at the bottom of the B1G -- again -- and we're low nationally -- again -- despite that we have guys who can shoot.

What will "wreck" the season is playing to a system that isn't working, running two bigs up front who don't play well together and with poor perimeter D. We're getting grossly exposed from the outside, while we're not shooting from the outside. To keep playing like this is a recipe for a low B1G finish.

 

[IndyResident16 567]

5 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

We absolutely have several players who can hit well, on a good percentage, from outside. Volume shooters? That's purely a product of the offense we're running, not the individuals. Volume is the O, not the player. We are clearly taking shots, by volume, at the bottom of the B1G -- again -- and we're low nationally -- again -- despite that we have guys who can shoot.

What will "wreck" the season is playing to a system that isn't working, running two bigs up front who don't play well together and with poor perimeter D. We're getting grossly exposed from the outside, while we're not shooting from the outside. To keep playing like this is a recipe for a low B1G finish.

 

Name a single player on this team who you'd feel comfortable with shooting 4+ times a game from deep and still hitting at a respectable clip? 

We shoot well from three percentage wise because we're an opportunistic shooting team who doesn't force shots, likely because we don't have the capability to do so. 

[MikeRoberts 7,062]

2 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

Name a single player on this team who you'd feel comfortable with shooting 4+ times a game from deep and still hitting at a respectable clip? 

We shoot well from three percentage wise because we're an opportunistic shooting team who doesn't force shots, likely because we don't have the capability to do so. 

Our 3 point percentage might go down as we are less selective but I believe X, Trey, Cupps, Ware could all be 30-40% from 3 in volume

[realTomCrean 1,544]

1 minute ago, MikeRoberts said:

Our 3 point percentage might go down as we are less selective but I believe X, Trey, Cupps, Ware could all be 30-40% from 3 in volume

Mgbako could as well

[Uspshoosier 46,135]

2 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

Name a single player on this team who you'd feel comfortable with shooting 4+ times a game from deep and still hitting at a respectable clip? 

We shoot well from three percentage wise because we're an opportunistic shooting team who doesn't force shots, likely because we don't have the capability to do so. 

Johnson, Cupps, Galloway, Ware, Mgbako, Malik, Banks, off the top of my head who I feel comfortable shooting 4 + a game.   Probably more but those off the top of my head should let it fly if they are open.   

[IndyResident16 567]

1 minute ago, MikeRoberts said:

Our 3 point percentage might go down as we are less selective but I believe X, Trey, Cupps, Ware could all be 30-40% from 3 in volume

All three of those guards need space to get off shots that have a chance of going in. Galloway, Cupps, and Xavier needing 5-6-7 attempts a game just to shoot 33% isn't conducive to our strengths. 

[IndyResident16 567]

3 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Johnson, Cupps, Galloway, Ware, Mgbako, Malik, Banks, off the top of my head who I feel comfortable shooting 4 + a game.   Probably more but those off the top of my head should let it fly if they are open.   

We're shooting 33% as is through 2 games on mostly open or uncontested looks from the perimeter. Efficiency is going to plummet with more volume especially as more shots become contested. We don't have any reliable knock down shooters on the roster currently.

[Artie86 1,981]

51 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I'm not the only one, but I am among those who posted that this team was likely to take lumps in November, December, and maybe even January. And also that this team has a very high ceiling.

When I posted that prior to our first two games, I got a lot of 'likes' and no one pushed back.

Now that it is happening, the sky is not falling; it's exactly as expected.

• Stack some cupcake wins, even if they are close calls, while we are figuring it out.
• Stay healthy, especially with our guards; we're gonna need them all.
• Trust that a staff that includes a sh!t-ton of NBA and college experience has the collective tools to keep this group learning and motivated toward reaching something approaching their potential.
• Trust that we have assembled a roster of really good kids that won't get resentful or play sad when they hit adversity.

And hopefully enjoy the results of a talented group that eventually has their collective light turn on.

^^This...^^^

 

[IU_FanClub 1,680]

51 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I'm not the only one, but I am among those who posted that this team was likely to take lumps in November, December, and maybe even January. And also that this team has a very high ceiling.

When I posted that prior to our first two games, I got a lot of 'likes' and no one pushed back.

Now that it is happening, the sky is not falling; it's exactly as expected.

• Stack some cupcake wins, even if they are close calls, while we are figuring it out.
• Stay healthy, especially with our guards; we're gonna need them all.
• Trust that a staff that includes a sh!t-ton of NBA and college experience has the collective tools to keep this group learning and motivated toward reaching something approaching their potential.
• Trust that we have assembled a roster of really good kids that won't get resentful or play sad when they hit adversity.

And hopefully enjoy the results of a talented group that eventually has their collective light turn on.

I think perspective is important as well. A lot of teams look like **** right now. Not to mention FGCU pushed Pitt to the brink last night as well. It is so early, the sky is not falling, and the team did not lose it's potential due to a few bad performances in *wins*. Go Hoosiers!

[IndyResident16 567]

2 minutes ago, IU_FanClub said:

Not to mention FGCU pushed Pitt to the brink last night as well.

FGCU is a weird team. After taking us to the brink of defeat they turned around and struggled with NAIA Ave Maria before giving Pitt all they could handle last night.