Big Ten is going to invite Oregon and Washington to join the league

[sbhoosierfan 8]

6 hours ago, Rico said:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/acc-expansion-smu-emerges-as-potential-target-along-with-stanford-cal-from-pac-12-per-report/

I think ND would want to stay independent and keep that lucrative NBC deal to themselves. I suspect they sign a half in deal, like they have today with the ACC, with B10. 

[Scott_b 91]

21 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

In your opinion, what does TV do to it? I can’t think of any way for it to be redeemable lol. 

It may not be esthetically pleasing in this pic or on TV but if you saw while on the floor at Matthew Knight Arena it's actually very cool. I think IU fans would love this entire building and court. But trust me, I thought it looked silly before moving here. To each his own though.

[Rico 2,979]

3 hours ago, sbhoosierfan said:

I think ND would want to stay independent and keep that lucrative NBC deal to themselves. I suspect they sign a half in deal, like they have today with the ACC, with B10. 

There was a time when I wanted the Irish in the B1G.  I don't feel that way any more.  

[Hovadipo 54,926]

2 hours ago, Scott_b said:

It may not be esthetically pleasing in this pic or on TV but if you saw while on the floor at Matthew Knight Arena it's actually very cool. I think IU fans would love this entire building and court. But trust me, I thought it looked silly before moving here. To each his own though.

Right, I was actually asking what you thought the difference was in person. I believe you, I just have trouble wrapping my mind around it. 

[Lebowski 2,401]

TV Money. Follow the money. Here's a interesting write up. I don't know the validity of the website but I thought the writer covered some interesting things.

'In his 1984 dissent of the Board of Regents decision, Justice Byron White (a Colorado football alum) wrote that the NCAA’s existence could be “threatened by unbridled competition in the economic sphere.” 

While college administrators have used his line of thinking to claim athletes’ economic competition would kill college sports, it appears that their own economic ambitions could sink the system.'

https://frontofficesports.com/tv-money-built-power-5-then-destroyed-it/

I foresee a legal battle with student-athletes wanting a piece of the network money pie. Buckle up. 

[BottomLine 685]

On 8/9/2023 at 12:55 PM, sbhoosierfan said:

I think ND would want to stay independent and keep that lucrative NBC deal to themselves. I suspect they sign a half in deal, like they have today with the ACC, with B10. 

$22 mill from NBC vs $80 mill from B10.  Plus ND was  granted AAU membership this year, usually a filter for B10 membership.  ND won't get a better offer anywhere else.  Can they work well with others?

[ziggyiu 554]

1 hour ago, BottomLine said:

$22 mill from NBC vs $80 mill from B10.  Plus ND was  granted AAU membership this year, usually a filter for B10 membership.  ND won't get a better offer anywhere else.  Can they work well with others?

That $22M isn't the whole of the money they get from broadcast-related rights. They make a lot more. 

They'll make even more when their current deal ends in a few years, although the media landscape may be much different by then.

While they would probably make more with the B1G, the money discrepancy isn’t as bad as $22M to $80M and it may be--and has been so far--not significant enough to lose their cherished independence for. 

On a personal note, to hell with ND. I hope they never join the B1G. 

[Rico 2,979]

11 hours ago, ziggyiu said:

That $22M isn't the whole of the money they get from broadcast-related rights. They make a lot more. 

They'll make even more when their current deal ends in a few years, although the media landscape may be much different by then.

While they would probably make more with the B1G, the money discrepancy isn’t as bad as $22M to $80M and it may be--and has been so far--not significant enough to lose their cherished independence for. 

On a personal note, to hell with ND. I hope they never join the B1G. 

Right.  And the easiest path for ND into the CFP ain't the B1G.

[Lebowski 2,401]

2 hours ago, Rico said:

Right.  And the easiest path for ND into the CFP ain't the B1G.

I think we're in a holding pattern regarding easy paths to the CFP due to the conference and playoff expansions. Even if it goes to a 12 or more team playoff system and 20 team conferences. If ND stays independent they will have to schedule against the 20 team conferences and not bottom feeder programs either. It might actually be easier to join a conference to get a bid into the CFP.

20 team conferences means less conferences. So instead of P5 we are most likely looking at P4 or P3. There are likely scenarios where conference championship games will have undefeated teams facing each other. And 3rd and 4th place conference teams with 1 or 2 losses. So it wouldn't be out of the the question to see the top 3 finishers in each conference get in the CFP while ND is set aside because they loss 1 game that year. You would think a 1 loss ND team would be automatic in a 12 team playoff system but that would all depend on their schedule. 

For example, this year they have OSU, Clemson, and USC on the schedule. They can't afford to lose to these opponents to where if they were in the conference they could lose to one of them and still be able to have a solid shot at getting a bid in the CFP. They won't be able to schedule Central Michigan and Tennessee St, also on their schedule this year. They might have to drop Navy and will with out a doubt have to schedule tougher opponents just to be able to sit at the table. 

ND scheduled IUFB in 2030 and 2031. At the current trajectory, that's not a good opponent for ND to have on the resume. Even though they are playing a B1G opponent that doesn't mean it's a quality one.

If the CFP stays at a 6 team system it gets worse for them. They could go undefeated and still not get a bid. Especially if the scheduled 'P5' teams they played finished 3rd or below in their respective 20 team conferences. 

[Rico 2,979]

10 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

I think we're in a holding pattern regarding easy paths to the CFP due to the conference and playoff expansions. Even if it goes to a 12 or more team playoff system and 20 team conferences. If ND stays independent they will have to schedule against the 20 team conferences and not bottom feeder programs either. It might actually be easier to join a conference to get a bid into the CFP.

20 team conferences means less conferences. So instead of P5 we are most likely looking at P4 or P3. There are likely scenarios where conference championship games will have undefeated teams facing each other. And 3rd and 4th place conference teams with 1 or 2 losses. So it wouldn't be out of the the question to see the top 3 finishers in each conference get in the CFP while ND is set aside because they loss 1 game that year. You would think a 1 loss ND team would be automatic in a 12 team playoff system but that would all depend on their schedule. 

For example, this year they have OSU, Clemson, and USC on the schedule. They can't afford to lose to these opponents to where if they were in the conference they could lose to one of them and still be able to have a solid shot at getting a bid in the CFP. They won't be able to schedule Central Michigan and Tennessee St, also on their schedule this year. They might have to drop Navy and will with out a doubt have to schedule tougher opponents just to be able to sit at the table. 

ND scheduled IUFB in 2030 and 2031. At the current trajectory, that's not a good opponent for ND to have on the resume. Even though they are playing a B1G opponent that doesn't mean it's a quality one.

If the CFP stays at a 6 team system it gets worse for them. They could go undefeated and still not get a bid. Especially if the scheduled 'P5' teams they played finished 3rd or below in their respective 20 team conferences. 

Ummm, the CFP already is going to 12 teams.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/college-football-12-team-playoff-explained-date-more-to-know-cfp-format/gmkdzivaikrn4xba7c6p0ksl

[Barrel Rick 1,170]

hey y’all,

Ricky checkin’ in..

 

in light of the recent news regarding the two new additions to the conference, i would like to bring some Barumblings (rumblings received by the Barrel, the most trustworthy insider in the history of IUMBB) to my people here at BTB.

 

i sat and talked with Coach Woodson last night after i finished my evening massage for Anthony Leal.

we shared a brisket..

he relayed to me that not only will Oregon and Washington be joining us, but along with them will come two more universities..

 

The first being the Horned Ponies of Cal Poly Northeastern A&M.

The second, is Duke.

 

If you remember one thing, let it be that The Barrel doesn’t miss.

 

- Ricky, 2023

sponsored by Hormel Chili, Big Woods Brewery, St. Peterschmidt Methodist Reptile Hospital, and Best Buy of Columbus, Indiana.

[Lebowski 2,401]

19 minutes ago, Rico said:

Ummm, the CFP already is going to 12 teams.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/college-football-12-team-playoff-explained-date-more-to-know-cfp-format/gmkdzivaikrn4xba7c6p0ksl

My bad, forgot about that. Hopefully it'll jump to 16! LOL!

[Rico 2,979]

5 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

My bad, forgot about that. Hopefully it'll jump to 16! LOL!

ND will not join a conference until they are forced to.  As long as they have a path to the CFP being an independent they will continue to be an independent.

[Lebowski 2,401]

20 minutes ago, Rico said:

ND will not join a conference until they are forced to.  As long as they have a path to the CFP being an independent they will continue to be an independent.

No disagreement from me. They'll always have a path to the CFP but with the current format they'll never have a bye week. And with 20 team conferences it's fair to say those top six at-large bids will be tough to get for a school like ND. It's doable for them but I'm not sure it's easier per se instead of just joining a conference. It'll all depend on how they schedule. 



 

[Rico 2,979]

25 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

No disagreement from me. They'll always have a path to the CFP but with the current format they'll never have a bye week. And with 20 team conferences it's fair to say those top six at-large bids will be tough to get for a school like ND. It's doable for them but I'm not sure it's easier per se instead of just joining a conference. It'll all depend on how they schedule. 



 

Right now it is easier for them than joining the B1G or the SEC for that matter.  

[Hoosierfan2017 20,817]

No interest in those fake elitists joining the Big 10. Let them stay independent. It’s better for them anyway. They get embarrassed whenever they face real competition. 

[Rico 2,979]

15 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

No interest in those fake elitists joining the Big 10. Let them stay independent. It’s better for them anyway. They get embarrassed whenever they face real competition. 

I figure, depending on the schedule, that ND would finish around 5-4 in the B1G.  

[str8baller 5,011]

On 8/11/2023 at 6:32 PM, Hoosierfan2017 said:

No interest in those fake elitists joining the Big 10. Let them stay independent. It’s better for them anyway. They get embarrassed whenever they face real competition. 

That’s every B1G team save for Ohio State.
 

Basically adding television properties at this point anyways. 

[Lebowski 2,401]

On 8/11/2023 at 5:32 PM, Hoosierfan2017 said:

No interest in those fake elitists joining the Big 10. Let them stay independent. It’s better for them anyway. They get embarrassed whenever they face real competition. 

They've been able to participate in the CFP a couple of times, so personally I wouldn't mind if they'd join the B1G. They loss to the eventual champions and had a better showing then OSU against Bama in 2020-2021. In those two appearances they were undefeated 2018-2019, and won against #1 ranked Clemson during the regular season in the 2020-2021 season. Clemson got em in the ACC Championship. (2020 season ND played as a member of the ACC due to COVID)

So if ND is a fake elitists it's safe to say every conference other than the SEC are fake elitists as well. Because there's not a good track record for other conferences in the CFP, unfortunately. The last four championship games have been blowouts and SEC domination. 

On 8/12/2023 at 9:24 AM, Rico said:

I figure, depending on the schedule, that ND would finish around 5-4 in the B1G.  

This season, for sure, unless of course they turned things around during the off season. But that would not be the case year after year. 

Here's a prime example of what I've been saying: 
In the 2018 season ND finished 13-0 ranked #4 in the final CFP rankings. With the 12 team schedule they don't get a bye, they would have been a 5 seed and have hosted a game against Penn State who lost to UK in the Citrus Bowl. PSU lost to UM, OSU and MSU that year. While ND beat UM. OSU would leap frog to a 4 seed although being ranked 6. The more this plays out the more ND will re-evaluate staying independent. And if they decide to join a conference why not have them join ours?

I'm not trying to be a big advocate of ND here, so please understand that first and foremost. I'm just saying adding that football program to the Big Ten would improve the conference. And I think that's the overall goal of what the big wigs calling the shots are trying to accomplish because the SEC is king at this point. I don't agree with the current path but I also know I will still watch the product.

Some things to note: While looking up ND's history, I saw that IUFB would have qualified for the 12 team CFP in 2020-2021. They would have traveled to OU. I'm so looking forward to this expansion. 

[Rico 2,979]

3 hours ago, Lebowski said:

They've been able to participate in the CFP a couple of times, so personally I wouldn't mind if they'd join the B1G. They loss to the eventual champions and had a better showing then OSU against Bama in 2020-2021. In those two appearances they were undefeated 2018-2019, and won against #1 ranked Clemson during the regular season in the 2020-2021 season. Clemson got em in the ACC Championship. (2020 season ND played as a member of the ACC due to COVID)

So if ND is a fake elitists it's safe to say every conference other than the SEC are fake elitists as well. Because there's not a good track record for other conferences in the CFP, unfortunately. The last four championship games have been blowouts and SEC domination. 

This season, for sure, unless of course they turned things around during the off season. But that would not be the case year after year. 

Here's a prime example of what I've been saying: 
In the 2018 season ND finished 13-0 ranked #4 in the final CFP rankings. With the 12 team schedule they don't get a bye, they would have been a 5 seed and have hosted a game against Penn State who lost to UK in the Citrus Bowl. PSU lost to UM, OSU and MSU that year. While ND beat UM. OSU would leap frog to a 4 seed although being ranked 6. The more this plays out the more ND will re-evaluate staying independent. And if they decide to join a conference why not have them join ours?

I'm not trying to be a big advocate of ND here, so please understand that first and foremost. I'm just saying adding that football program to the Big Ten would improve the conference. And I think that's the overall goal of what the big wigs calling the shots are trying to accomplish because the SEC is king at this point. I don't agree with the current path but I also know I will still watch the product.

Some things to note: While looking up ND's history, I saw that IUFB would have qualified for the 12 team CFP in 2020-2021. They would have traveled to OU. I'm so looking forward to this expansion. 

Of course Notre Dame joining the B1G would be good for the B1G.  Notre Dame joining the B1G would not be good for Notre Dam'e's record.