Who fills the last scholarship?

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59 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Purdue had something that IU won't have this year which made a huge difference with how effective their freshman guards could be: Edey.

Cupps is already one of my favorite players on the team next year but I don't expect him to have a huge impact as a freshman. He might get 10 mpg. Maybe.

What Purdue didn’t have, though, was an experienced point guard to learn from.

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Just now, RaceToTheTop said:

What Purdue didn’t have, though, was an experienced point guard to learn from.

Which also means they didn't have an experienced point guard to start and play the majority of minutes. Smith played by default but didn't look as bad as he could've because they had Edey.

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1 hour ago, go iu bb said:

Which also means they didn't have an experienced point guard to start and play the majority of minutes. Smith played by default but didn't look as bad as he could've because they had Edey.

That was my point as well.  Edey’s status is huge for them because the I would expect a drop off from the other player’s play if he doesn’t come back.

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1 hour ago, go iu bb said:

Which also means they didn't have an experienced point guard to start and play the majority of minutes. Smith played by default but didn't look as bad as he could've because they had Edey.

Agree, any point guard is serviceable if the main thing you have to do is throw it in to Edey

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15 hours ago, TeeterInNJ said:

By the time he is done here, I won't be surprised if we talk about him in the same breath as Yogi, and he's widely considered one of the best IU PGs ever/since Isiah, at least. 

Gabe Cupps is already an IU fan favorite. IU fans like Cupps because he has a great attitude, clearly loves IU, and seems to have very good point guard skills. But to put him in the same category as Isiah Thomas is simply ridiculous. Isiah was one of the top 2 or 3 players in the country coming out of high school. He is one of the greatest point guards of all time--college and NBA. A better comparison is Rob Phinisee.  Cupps is ranked about the same as Phinisee was. IU fans were convinced that Phinisee was the next Yogi Farrell. And, maybe if not for injuries things might have turned out better for him. But he was never going to be in the same category as Yogi (who was a McDonalds All American). Cupps is a fine player who will see considerable playing time and hopefully provide some great moments (as Phinisee did, e.g., buzzer beater against Butler and beating Purdue almost single handedly) during his college career. But he is not at the talent level of Yogi Farrell much less Isiah Thomas.

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19 hours ago, Adillac said:

I don't think it's that crazy to consider that either Cupps or Newton could start next to X. Not saying I think they will, but its possible. 

As in... they're starting over Galloway? No chance. 

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32 minutes ago, Honkyman said:

Gabe Cupps is already an IU fan favorite. IU fans like Cupps because he has a great attitude, clearly loves IU, and seems to have very good point guard skills. But to put him in the same category as Isiah Thomas is simply ridiculous. Isiah was one of the top 2 or 3 players in the country coming out of high school. He is one of the greatest point guards of all time--college and NBA. A better comparison is Rob Phinisee.  Cupps is ranked about the same as Phinisee was. IU fans were convinced that Phinisee was the next Yogi Farrell. And, maybe if not for injuries things might have turned out better for him. But he was never going to be in the same category as Yogi (who was a McDonalds All American). Cupps is a fine player who will see considerable playing time and hopefully provide some great moments (as Phinisee did, e.g., buzzer beater against Butler and beating Purdue almost single handedly) during his college career. But he is not at the talent level of Yogi Farrell much less Isiah Thomas.

Your point stands but Cupps is ranked better than Phinisee out of HS. Phinisee 247 composite was 131 (rating of 0.9401) while Cupps is at 91 (rating of 0.9598). So closer to Phinisee than to Isiah or Yogi but I wouldn't say about the same.

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7 hours ago, Honkyman said:

Gabe Cupps is already an IU fan favorite. IU fans like Cupps because he has a great attitude, clearly loves IU, and seems to have very good point guard skills. But to put him in the same category as Isiah Thomas is simply ridiculous. Isiah was one of the top 2 or 3 players in the country coming out of high school. He is one of the greatest point guards of all time--college and NBA. A better comparison is Rob Phinisee.  Cupps is ranked about the same as Phinisee was. IU fans were convinced that Phinisee was the next Yogi Farrell. And, maybe if not for injuries things might have turned out better for him. But he was never going to be in the same category as Yogi (who was a McDonalds All American). Cupps is a fine player who will see considerable playing time and hopefully provide some great moments (as Phinisee did, e.g., buzzer beater against Butler and beating Purdue almost single handedly) during his college career. But he is not at the talent level of Yogi Farrell much less Isiah Thomas.

To be totally clear, I said "one of the best" and "since Isiah" ... but I can see how my post was worded in a way where it could be read this way. Good, maybe even great player - Isiah, he is not... 

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1 hour ago, TeeterInNJ said:

To be totally clear, I said "one of the best" and "since Isiah" ... but I can see how my post was worded in a way where it could be read this way. Good, maybe even great player - Isiah, he is not... 

I dunno, was thinking he’s more a combo of Magic, Bird, Nash with a sprinkle of MJ? 
Kidding aside, he has the look of a kid who can develop into a guy who, as a pure point, can thrive with the kind of length and athletic players we’re seeing committed now and hopefully going forward. He’ll learn under X, he’ll get stronger with the IU weight and conditioning training and age. It’s always great to get a Yogi level point, but he shouldn’t have to be Yogi, a true point surrounded by attacking wings, scoring guards and mobile bigs is just as good.

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On 5/14/2023 at 12:42 PM, RaceToTheTop said:

Wheza Panzo committed to Iona and can be marked off.  Same with Mika Adams-Wood, for transferred from Cincinnati to St. Bonaventure.

If you look solely at guys with 1 year of eligibility form the list above, you have:

Trey Woodbury, Utah Valley State.  Guy I've mentioned that I really like.  Basically a better version of Trey Galloway.  Assumption he will end up at a power 5 where it looks like he will start.  Leaning toward Ole Miss right now.

Jayvis Henry, Tenn Tech.  After being little used at James Madison for two seasons, had a breakthrough year at Tennessee Tech.  Went from hitting only 8 of 53 threes over two years to hitting 50 of 114 last year.

Caleb Grill, Iowa State.  Started for Iowa State last year, averagin 9 ppg.  Am assuming he probably looking for a landing spot where he is going to get a lot of shots.

Allen Flanigan, Auburn.  Thoughts are he will follow his dad.

Kruz Perrott-Hunt, South Dakota.  Worth a look IMO.  Career 40% three point shooter.

Since you posted this, I've become kind of obsessed with Trey Woodbury. 6'4" CG who averaged almost 14/6/5 on 45/39/73 splits with a better than 2/1 asst/to and apparently a pretty decent defender. Have watched all the video I can find of him and would probably take him over Cam Spencer. And, as a 1 yr kid, perfect. But, he's currently in limbo pending an appeal for being turned down for a medical waiver, which is pretty bazaar since he basically lost an entire season to injury playing all of 2 conference tournament games at the end of the season. No idea if he'll play or what Woody's plans are, but I'd be onboard with that one in a second. 

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1 hour ago, Demo said:

Since you posted this, I've become kind of obsessed with Trey Woodbury. 6'4" CG who averaged almost 14/6/5 on 45/39/73 splits with a better than 2/1 asst/to and apparently a pretty decent defender. Have watched all the video I can find of him and would probably take him over Cam Spencer. And, as a 1 yr kid, perfect. But, he's currently in limbo pending an appeal for being turned down for a medical waiver, which is pretty bazaar since he basically lost an entire season to injury playing all of 2 conference tournament games at the end of the season. No idea if he'll play or what Woody's plans are, but I'd be onboard with that one in a second. 

Even if he played only 2 games, it sounds like they were at the wrong time of the year. His coach didn't do him any favors by playing him instead of just sitting him. I'd be surprised if he's granted the waiver based on this. 

If he does get that waiver, he sounds like he'd be an excellent addition.

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3 hours ago, Demo said:

Since you posted this, I've become kind of obsessed with Trey Woodbury. 6'4" CG who averaged almost 14/6/5 on 45/39/73 splits with a better than 2/1 asst/to and apparently a pretty decent defender. Have watched all the video I can find of him and would probably take him over Cam Spencer. And, as a 1 yr kid, perfect. But, he's currently in limbo pending an appeal for being turned down for a medical waiver, which is pretty bazaar since he basically lost an entire season to injury playing all of 2 conference tournament games at the end of the season. No idea if he'll play or what Woody's plans are, but I'd be onboard with that one in a second. 

For anyone who hasn't seen him play, but I don't know how anybody watching him couldn't love the kid.  I would liken him to a shorter Sam Griesel but tougher and both a better rebounder and ball handler.  Can score at multiple levels.

The medical waiver thing is kind of a joke because the two games he played were in the conference tournament -- so they wouldn't have even counted toward eligibility games.  Also sounds like his first waiver was denied and he was appealing it, but there would be little chance that it would get overturned on second appeal.

Another reason that it may not get overturned is that it occurred during 21-22, which was the season that basically the NCAA gave players that played in it an extra season.....so they may say he's already used all of his seasons up (he played 4 seasons + the games in 21-22).

Here is some video on him.  A lot to like.

 

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For anyone who hasn't seen him play, but I don't know how anybody watching him couldn't love the kid.  I would liken him to a shorter Sam Griesel but tougher and both a better rebounder and ball handler.  Can score at multiple levels.
The medical waiver thing is kind of a joke because the two games he played were in the conference tournament -- so they wouldn't have even counted toward eligibility games.  Also sounds like his first waiver was denied and he was appealing it, but there would be little chance that it would get overturned on second appeal.
Another reason that it may not get overturned is that it occurred during 21-22, which was the season that basically the NCAA gave players that played in it an extra season.....so they may say he's already used all of his seasons up (he played 4 seasons + the games in 21-22).
Here is some video on him.  A lot to like.
 

Love the power dunks. I definitely could get on board, if he becomes eligible.

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4 hours ago, sweetpain said:

Love the power dunks. I definitely could get on board, if he becomes eligible.

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The dunk against New Mexico toward the middle was really sweet.  Just determined he was going to do it and neither of the defenders considered that he would think to do it.

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On 5/12/2023 at 5:45 PM, Sardinefarts1991 said:

It seems we are looking good now, a very athletic group with some great size.

 

It appears the starting 5 has 4 spots probably locked up.

Xavier

Mackenzie

Reneau

Ware

... Are probably all starters. 

I love Galloway, he's one of my favorite Hoosiers ever and ive been watching 25 years. I think he can fill the shooting guard spot, however, isn't necessary a shooter who runs of screens, more of a set shooter who shoots 40% from 3 only shooting when he catches and is open.

Having Galloway come off bench as 6th man, and having a athletic 3 point shooter would really have this team dangerous. 

Who you guys think we could aim at left in the portal to possibly fill that starting shooting guard spot if Galloway isn't our shooting guard starter?

 

 

Man, I love Galloway. However, I love your thinking on the shooter. Galloway as the 6th man, we would be absolute gas. Saying that got me excited again about IU Basketball! 32 yr fan here, been a little bit for me. 
 

Stay with it woody! Slide us a solid 2 in there from the portal or Gunn/Banks (I really want to see more of these kids playing) someone send us a video of them working out/playing pickup/ something 

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9 hours ago, go iu bb said:

Even if he played only 2 games, it sounds like they were at the wrong time of the year. His coach didn't do him any favors by playing him instead of just sitting him. I'd be surprised if he's granted the waiver based on this. 

If he does get that waiver, he sounds like he'd be an excellent addition.

But it’s still under the 9-10 game window. Right?

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9 hours ago, yogisballin said:

But it’s still under the 9-10 game window. Right?

Two issues:

1.  The exact wording for a player to meet the requirements of a medical waiver, they have to been under 30% of the total + they have to show medically that they were working towards playing + the games played have to be in the first half of the year.  Woodbury's games were in the conference tournament.

2.  The extra year that players were given was for playing in the 2021-22 season -- that was basically their freebie year.  In Woodbury's case, the season in question was the 2021-22 year and he played four other years besides that one.

So with X, he played four years + part of 2022-23.  The 2021-22 year was a 'freebie', so he only needed the waiver for the 2022-23.  In Woodbury's case, he played four full season and the season in question was 2021-22 -- but the 2021-22 year wouldn't have counted anyway since that was his freebie year.  So I don't think it's an issue so much how much he played in 2021-22 but rather than he already played four years outside of the 2021-22 year.  Basically missing the 2021-22 year in his case is irrelevant because the NCAA did not count that as a season for him.  If the two games he played had been in 2020-21, then he would have a case as neither the 2020-21 and 2021-22 years wouldn't potentially count.

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9 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Two issues:

1.  The exact wording for a player to meet the requirements of a medical waiver, they have to been under 30% of the total + they have to show medically that they were working towards playing + the games played have to be in the first half of the year.  Woodbury's games were in the conference tournament.

2.  The extra year that players were given was for playing in the 2021-22 season -- that was basically their freebie year.  In Woodbury's case, the season in question was the 2021-22 year and he played four other years besides that one.

So with X, he played four years + part of 2022-23.  The 2021-22 year was a 'freebie', so he only needed the waiver for the 2022-23.  In Woodbury's case, he played four full season and the season in question was 2021-22 -- but the 2021-22 year wouldn't have counted anyway since that was his freebie year.  So I don't think it's an issue so much how much he played in 2021-22 but rather than he already played four years outside of the 2021-22 year.  Basically missing the 2021-22 year in his case is irrelevant because the NCAA did not count that as a season for him.  If the two games he played had been in 2020-21, then he would have a case as neither the 2020-21 and 2021-22 years wouldn't potentially count.

Excellent point with #2, I hadn't even thought of that. #1 is what I was looking at. Since they were games at the end of the season, I highly doubt he gets the waiver.

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22 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Excellent point with #2, I hadn't even thought of that. #1 is what I was looking at. Since they were games at the end of the season, I highly doubt he gets the waiver.

What’s also of note was that in 21-22, NIL was nonexistent (or in its infancy).  I think quite a few players in 21-22 likely wouldn’t have played a fifth year without the kind of NIL that exists just two years later.

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On 5/26/2023 at 9:00 AM, RaceToTheTop said:

Two issues:

1.  The exact wording for a player to meet the requirements of a medical waiver, they have to been under 30% of the total + they have to show medically that they were working towards playing + the games played have to be in the first half of the year.  Woodbury's games were in the conference tournament.

2.  The extra year that players were given was for playing in the 2021-22 season -- that was basically their freebie year.  In Woodbury's case, the season in question was the 2021-22 year and he played four other years besides that one.

So with X, he played four years + part of 2022-23.  The 2021-22 year was a 'freebie', so he only needed the waiver for the 2022-23.  In Woodbury's case, he played four full season and the season in question was 2021-22 -- but the 2021-22 year wouldn't have counted anyway since that was his freebie year.  So I don't think it's an issue so much how much he played in 2021-22 but rather than he already played four years outside of the 2021-22 year.  Basically missing the 2021-22 year in his case is irrelevant because the NCAA did not count that as a season for him.  If the two games he played had been in 2020-21, then he would have a case as neither the 2020-21 and 2021-22 years wouldn't potentially count.

Makes sense. Giving that is how it is worded then yes, definitely going to be questionable. Appreciate you doing the research for the rest of us (including myself) that were too lazy to look it up.