Indiana Players Now In The Portal

[Golfman25 5,651]

7 hours ago, AH1971 said:

There’s projected to be close to 1500 players in the portal. Assuming half those guys fit your criteria for #2, I like IU’s chances of landing 2-3 quality guards.

Your relying on a dude who plays at a lower competition level to come up and kill it at the power 5 level.  How often does that happen?   Bold strategy Cotton.  

[AH1971 1,518]

20 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Your relying on a dude who plays at a lower competition level to come up and kill it at the power 5 level.  How often does that happen?   Bold strategy Cotton.  

Scour the all-American and all-conference teams and there’s dozens of recipients who started out at the lower level who kill it at the P5 level.

[RaceToTheTop 26,219]

36 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Your relying on a dude who plays at a lower competition level to come up and kill it at the power 5 level.  How often does that happen?   Bold strategy Cotton.  

All big ten defensive player of the year, one first team all big ten and two all big ten third team players this year were playing for mid majors last year.

[Golfman25 5,651]

Then I guess we are on our way.  

[Stuhoo 81,600]

12 hours ago, Hornsby said:

It was me. If you only need a few it's probably not a huge deal but when you need 7 or 8 of them all at once they aren't all going to be top players. For one you will run out of money trying to pay them all. Also, unless Woodson is a genius throwing 8 portal players together and expecting big things seems like a stretch.

When you have seven portal players, you do not need them all to be top players. 

We had terrible roster construction last season. But, I have real hope (and some faith) that the staff will be very particular in who we take via the portal with the intention of much better roster construction. There is an obvious IUBB instance of this happening. Crean was eviscerated for the Vonleh, Stan Robinson year. It was easy to see, he went and got shooters, and two years later we were B1G champs and in the Sweet Sixteen.

*Finally, of note*: 

While I understand the need to vent, especially in the 'Fire Mike Woodson' thread, the constant disparagement of there being any staff competence or hope for next year's team is

• Inaccurate
• Joyless
• Repetitive, and
• Makes many good posters want to avoid the entire forum. It's easy to avoid the 'Fire Mike Woodson' thread, but when the all-encompassing negativity seeps into almost every thread? Yuck.

[Home Jersey 8,336]

IMO we don't necessarily need them all to be top 50 guys or coming from a P5 school... plenty of mid-major players who can contribute at this level, especially in the backcourt. I would like a few of the top 50/P5 transfers to land here, because they are important too... just not the end all be all. Problem is, the staff doesn't seem very interested in evaluating talent. So do you trust them to go out there and identify under the radar types who fit their system and will mesh together? I don't, and honestly, that doesn't seem to be their recruiting strategy which as far as I can tell appears to be chasing stars and rankings. Hope it works out.

Edit: removed a reference to the staff not being capable of developing talent. They are with big men certainly, in TJD and Ware.

[Stuhoo 81,600]

25 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Then I guess we are on our way.  

Let's hope so!

[Chris007 44,688]

8 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

When you have seven portal players, you do not need them all to be top players. 

We had terrible roster construction last season. But, I have real hope (and some faith) that the staff will be very particular in who we take via the portal with the intention of much better roster construction. There is an obvious IUBB instance of this happening. Crean was eviscerated for the Vonleh, Stan Robinson year. It was easy to see, he went and got shooters, and two years later we were B1G champs and in the Sweet Sixteen.

*Finally, of note*: 

While I understand the need to vent, especially in the 'Fire Mike Woodson' thread, the constant disparagement of there being any staff competence or hope for next year's team is

• Inaccurate
• Joyless
• Repetitive, and
• Makes many good posters want to avoid the entire forum. It's easy to avoid the 'Fire Mike Woodson' thread, but when the all-encompassing negativity seeps into almost every thread? Yuck.

That seems to be painting with an awfully broad brush. One thread makes the rest of the forum not very good. I think the majority of the fanbase feels like Mike Woodson should be fired.  

[Stuhoo 81,600]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

That seems to be painting with an awfully broad brush. One thread makes the rest of the forum not very good. I think the majority of the fanbase feels like Mike Woodson should be fired.  

Just the opposite!

The Fire Mike Woodson thread makes the forum better. It gives everyone a place to vent, rage, and "Mediocre Mike" at will.

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It's when many substantive posts in other threads get responses like "it doesn't matter anyway because Mediocre Mike will screw it up" that things get unreadable. Many of us (including me) are guilty of doing that.

When I get non-open-forum messages from some of our very best contributors stating "Yeah, I think I’m gonna split for a couple of days... Life is entirely too short to be as miserable as some of these folks clearly are" I think that people who enjoy the board should remember what makes it enjoyable.

Just my opinion.

[NashvilleHoosier 3,719]

6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Just the opposite!

The Fire Mike Woodson thread makes the forum better. It gives everyone a place to vent, rage, and "Mediocre Mike" at will.

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It's when many substantive posts in other threads get responses like "it doesn't matter anyway because Mediocre Mike will screw it up" that things get unreadable. Many of us (including me) are guilty of doing that.

When I get non-open-forum messages from some of our very best contributors stating "Yeah, I think I’m gonna split for a couple of days. Life is entirely too short to be as miserable as some of these folks clearly are" I think that people who enjoy the board should remember what makes it enjoyable.

Just my opinion.

Might I suggest you mods fine tune the BTB algo to filter out all of these messages that say the same thing over and over again to a ghost thread titled "Spot on. This x 1000%". It will just be an endless loop of nothing statements about things sucking and people responding with "Spot on" or "This x 1000%".

[Hovadipo 56,650]

2 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Might I suggest you mods fine tune the BTB algo to filter out all of these messages that say the same thing over and over again to a ghost thread titled "Spot on. This x 1000%". It will just be an endless loop of nothing statements about things sucking and people responding with "Spot on" or "This x 1000%".

Old Fart is furiously adjusting the algorithm now.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 85,345]

6 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

Old Fart is furiously adjusting the algorithm now.

At least use a current picture.

[Chris007 44,688]

11 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

At least use a current picture.

Dang now I see why @IU - Kaulie is always hitting on you.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,744]

1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

IMO we don't necessarily need them all to be top 50 guys or coming from a P5 school... plenty of mid-major players who can contribute at this level, especially in the backcourt. I would like a few of the top 50/P5 transfers to land here, because they are important too... just not the end all be all. Problem is, the staff doesn't seem very interested in evaluating talent. So do you trust them to go out there and identify under the radar types who fit their system and will mesh together? I don't, and honestly, that doesn't seem to be their recruiting strategy which as far as I can tell appears to be chasing stars and rankings. Hope it works out.

Edit: removed a reference to the staff not being capable of developing talent. They are with big men certainly, in TJD and Ware.

They don’t need to top 50 players, but they all really do need to be capable of being rotational players on a good team. We have 3 players on the roster right now who fit that bill. Two of them may transfer and/or enter the draft. We need a lot of help. 

[Hornsby 2,171]

Why would a single “high end” guard come to IU, let alone 2?  The idea that we’ll have a big ten championship team one year out of the portal is a pipe dream.  

Some thing to think he is just going to throw 7 portal guys together and have this great team. They site portal guys having success at other programs. Difference is those guys were fillers who went into stable programs with a core of players that were already together.

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[Chris007 44,688]

1 minute ago, Hornsby said:

Some thing to think he is just going to throw 7 portal guys together and have this great team. They site portal guys having success at other programs. Difference is those guys were fillers who went into stable programs with a core of players that were already together.

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I think Reneau, Mgbako, Galloway is a nice core.

[Hornsby 2,171]

I think Reneau, Mgbako, Galloway is a nice core.

If they all come back and that's only three guys. You will need 5 other rotation player who can play at this level. And MR is foul prone so if he is the main big I expect he will foul out alot. Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Stuhoo 81,600]

18 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

If they all come back and that's only three guys. You will need 5 other rotation player who can play at this level.

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Yes! But with varying degrees of "that can play."

We will need a few that can be go-to, 25+ minute per game players, and a few that can contribute and have a positive impact in a 10-20 mpg role.

[Golfman25 5,651]

9 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think Reneau, Mgbako, Galloway is a nice core.

Maybe.  MR is still a bit one dimensional.  MM made great improvement.  Galloway is a great glue guy type but he is what he is.  You're still going to need a few true studs out of the portal and there is no reason to come to IU vs another better program.  That's the problem.  

[Chris007 44,688]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

Maybe.  MR is still a bit one dimensional.  MM made great improvement.  Galloway is a great glue guy type but he is what he is.  You're still going to need a few true studs out of the portal and there is no reason to come to IU vs another better program.  That's the problem.  

I'm trying to be more positive.